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It's not worth noting. There is quite a few people in this thread arguing for the sake of arguing about what a weed is in a thread about a very serious weed tak

It's not worth noting. There is quite a few people in this thread arguing for the sake of arguing about what a weed is in a thread about a very serious weed taking over very large swaths of habitat. It's kind of disgusting.

goatlover 3y ago
It's not disgusting. It's a question of how we view nature. The idea that we can just preserve ecosystems as they were isn't very tenable. The idea that invasive species don't deserve to be invasive is questionable. We're making all these value judgements about what nature and shouldn't be. But nature has always changed, just depends on the time scale. And life has always spread into new areas and become invasive. We did so migrating out of Africa. So does an ant colony floating on a log to an island that didn't have ants before. Life colonized the oceans, then it colonized the lands, and it colonizes new islands that popup, and populations shift around as the climate changes and new migration routes become available. The Sahara was a savanna thousands of years ago.
- onlypositive 3y ago
  Were not out here trying to ensure a perfect pristine protection of the ecosystem. This is about a toxic weed spreading into areas we don't want it. Next you'll be telling me we can just keep drilling for oil because humans are animals too.
  - jakear 3y ago
    > a toxic weed That’s two very loaded terms to apply to an organism which has done nothing more than find a niche in which it excels. Do you have any justification at all to support the slander, aside from the juvenile mantra “native=good; introduced=bad”? (keep in mind you’re a member of the most disruptive introduced species of all time)
- fzeroracer 3y ago
  Go live somewhere where tumbleweeds are a menace and your opinion will change very quickly.
  - jakear 3y ago
    Such as Australia, where they are a “native” species (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panicum_effusum https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panicum_effusum)? You’re proving the point you don’t want to be.

goatlover 3y ago

It's not disgusting. It's a question of how we view nature. The idea that we can just preserve ecosystems as they were isn't very tenable. The idea that invasive species don't deserve to be invasive is questionable. We're making all these value judgements about what nature and shouldn't be. But nature has always changed, just depends on the time scale. And life has always spread into new areas and become invasive. We did so migrating out of Africa. So does an ant colony floating on a log to an island that didn't have ants before. Life colonized the oceans, then it colonized the lands, and it colonizes new islands that popup, and populations shift around as the climate changes and new migration routes become available. The Sahara was a savanna thousands of years ago.

onlypositive 3y ago
Were not out here trying to ensure a perfect pristine protection of the ecosystem. This is about a toxic weed spreading into areas we don't want it. Next you'll be telling me we can just keep drilling for oil because humans are animals too.
- jakear 3y ago
  > a toxic weed That’s two very loaded terms to apply to an organism which has done nothing more than find a niche in which it excels. Do you have any justification at all to support the slander, aside from the juvenile mantra “native=good; introduced=bad”? (keep in mind you’re a member of the most disruptive introduced species of all time)
fzeroracer 3y ago
Go live somewhere where tumbleweeds are a menace and your opinion will change very quickly.
- jakear 3y ago
  Such as Australia, where they are a “native” species (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panicum_effusum https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panicum_effusum)? You’re proving the point you don’t want to be.