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Definitely not a repressed line of thinking

Spivak 3y ago
I think you want that to be true more than it actually is. It's basically implicit basis training 101 -- have the thought, take a step back and evaluate whether your conditioned response (ie gut reaction) is reasonable given the situation (has that guy actually done anything threatening or have you been taught to be afraid of men at night), and adjust your response if necessary. Repeat until your conditioned response changes. GPT has the the exact same problem having been trained on humans and OpenAI's process for dealing with it is similar.
- troad 3y ago
  Implicit bias training is pseudo-science. The balance of the scientific evidence suggests that implicit bias training has no effect at best, and a slightly adverse effect (i.e. more bias) at worst. Discrimination exists, and must be fought. The only thing implicit bias training achieves is making rich professionals feel better about themselves while doing absolutely nothing to combat discrimination. It's also a great box ticking exercise for big business.
- armatav 3y ago
  >"good lord Spivak that was fucked up" and try to use the front brain to correct it I don’t think so. Your words, not mine, textbook repression of thoughts.
  - Spivak 3y ago
    Dude, that's not even that repression means, you're trying to say suppression. But even that's not right, changing your autonomic response isn't suppressing thoughts, it's letting them through and sitting with them. It's the difference between pushing down your fear and getting over your fear so you don't have it in the first place.
    - armatav 3y ago
      No, it's repression by definition; you have a pattern of thought you've identified as illegal in your system, and instead of coming to terms with them, you're preventing their expression. The juxtaposition is similar with the language models; a pattern of thought is illegal, and instead of coming to terms with them, their expression is prevented.

I think you want that to be true more than it actually is. It's basically implicit basis training 101 -- have the thought, take a step back and evaluate whether your conditioned response (ie gut reaction) is reasonable given the situation (has that guy actually done anything threatening or have you been taught to be afraid of men at night), and adjust your response if necessary. Repeat until your conditioned response changes. GPT has the the exact same problem having been trained on humans and OpenAI's process for dealing with it is similar.

troad 3y ago
Implicit bias training is pseudo-science. The balance of the scientific evidence suggests that implicit bias training has no effect at best, and a slightly adverse effect (i.e. more bias) at worst. Discrimination exists, and must be fought. The only thing implicit bias training achieves is making rich professionals feel better about themselves while doing absolutely nothing to combat discrimination. It's also a great box ticking exercise for big business.
armatav 3y ago
>"good lord Spivak that was fucked up" and try to use the front brain to correct it I don’t think so. Your words, not mine, textbook repression of thoughts.
- Spivak 3y ago
  Dude, that's not even that repression means, you're trying to say suppression. But even that's not right, changing your autonomic response isn't suppressing thoughts, it's letting them through and sitting with them. It's the difference between pushing down your fear and getting over your fear so you don't have it in the first place.
  - armatav 3y ago
    No, it's repression by definition; you have a pattern of thought you've identified as illegal in your system, and instead of coming to terms with them, you're preventing their expression. The juxtaposition is similar with the language models; a pattern of thought is illegal, and instead of coming to terms with them, their expression is prevented.