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Children under five are at high risk from influenza. Even if you see nothing wrong with the antisocial and frankly eugenicist idea of letting the elderly and ob

Children under five are at high risk from influenza. Even if you see nothing wrong with the antisocial and frankly eugenicist idea of letting the elderly and obese die off for want of herd immunity, you might consider the utility of keeping children alive so they can feed and change you in the nursing home.

peteradio 3y ago
Do you have an literature which suggests herd immunity is even possible for flu?
- ksenzee 3y ago
  You can't reach herd immunity without a highly effective vaccine. No highly effective vaccine exists. If they manage to develop one, and if enough people get vaccinated, then herd immunity is possible. It's just math. The question is really whether a highly effective universal flu vaccine is possible to develop, and nobody knows that.
  - peteradio 3y ago
    So you think it appropriate to preemptively call people antisocial eugenicists based on a hypothetical vaccine?
    - ksenzee 3y ago
      All of this discussion is abstract, based on a vaccine that doesn't exist yet, yes. It is possible to discuss eugenics in the abstract. And in the abstract, saying "It's a deeply selfish attitude for the elderly and obese... to expect healthy people to take something that might have a net negative effect to them" is eugenicist and antisocial.
      - peteradio 3y ago
        > saying "It's a deeply selfish attitude for the elderly and obese... to expect healthy people to take something that might have a net negative effect to them" is eugenicist and antisocial. Ok, but why? It seems like socially it cuts both ways. If I ask someone to do something they don't want to do and they refuse are they necessarily antisocial? How are you balancing the gains with the losses? It seems that your methods of accounting only value the most likely losers if there is no intervention.

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Children under five are at high risk from influenza. Even if you see nothing wrong with the antisocial and frankly eugenicist idea of letting the elderly and ob

by ksenzee 3y ago

peteradio 3y ago
Do you have an literature which suggests herd immunity is even possible for flu?
- ksenzee 3y ago
  You can't reach herd immunity without a highly effective vaccine. No highly effective vaccine exists. If they manage to develop one, and if enough people get vaccinated, then herd immunity is possible. It's just math. The question is really whether a highly effective universal flu vaccine is possible to develop, and nobody knows that.
  - peteradio 3y ago
    So you think it appropriate to preemptively call people antisocial eugenicists based on a hypothetical vaccine?
    - ksenzee 3y ago
      All of this discussion is abstract, based on a vaccine that doesn't exist yet, yes. It is possible to discuss eugenics in the abstract. And in the abstract, saying "It's a deeply selfish attitude for the elderly and obese... to expect healthy people to take something that might have a net negative effect to them" is eugenicist and antisocial.
      - peteradio 3y ago
        > saying "It's a deeply selfish attitude for the elderly and obese... to expect healthy people to take something that might have a net negative effect to them" is eugenicist and antisocial. Ok, but why? It seems like socially it cuts both ways. If I ask someone to do something they don't want to do and they refuse are they necessarily antisocial? How are you balancing the gains with the losses? It seems that your methods of accounting only value the most likely losers if there is no intervention.