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There are definitely data points different from mine. And apologies if I am offering advice where none is wanted, but I want to clarify what I meant above. Wha

by ptero 3y ago

There are definitely data points different from mine. And apologies if I am offering advice where none is wanted, but I want to clarify what I meant above. What I meant by "broadening experience" is not a hobby-level stuff you describe (still very useful on a personal development level) but gaining enough depth in another field to be comparable to an undergraduate with that specialization; or at least with a minor in that area. It is a higher bar, but someone with good CS background can master the equivalent of the 3-5 higher undergrad level classes pretty quickly. I agree that software companies are not really interested in non-software hobby projects. But non-software tech companies often put a very high value on software as a secondary skill in their non-software hires and are willing to lower the bar for their primary tech competency. My 2c.

giantg2 3y ago
"not a hobby-level stuff" Well, that's sort of a catch-22. Either you need a credential (major, minor, certificate), or you need work experience in it. But of course you need that work experience in order to get the job, so it doesn't really make you more employable. Plus, most would tend to lose career velocity as they jump from one domain to the next. "There are definitely data points different from mine." That was all I was trying to say. Certainly applies to me as well.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  Linus did something that was definitely not hobby-level stuff at an obscure university in Finland with, on-paper, less prospects and at a probably younger age then you. It would be less impressive if Linus did the same at age 27 after a Master's at a top tier US school, but likely still enough to get a nice FAANG job with solid promotion prospects. That's likely what the parent meant, you need to show, something, in the 99th percentile among your peer cohort.
  - bboylen 3y ago
    Are you really suggesting that new developers should simply contribute a Linux tier contribution to open source to be considered for entry level developer roles?
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      > It would be less impressive if Linus did the same at age 27 after a Master's at a top tier US school, but likely still enough to get a nice FAANG job with solid promotion prospects I'm not sure how you missed 1/3 of my comment. Clearly with such conditions it will not be an entry level job. Nor am I saying it's absolutely necessary. From what I understand a 99th percentile score on Leetcode will alone get you through the door. Though a nice job (~40 hour weeks, good team, above average comp. package) with solid promotion prospects is about the maximum even a somewhat less impressive version of Linus could expect at 27-28.
- ptero 3y ago
  > most would tend to lose career velocity as they jump from one domain to the next Absolutely. Gaining expertise in another domain would also cost time and effort (and maybe money). So I would not do it first thing after graduation and would only pick an area that I really like, so the extra work does not feel like work. But if one gets to senior levels and does not want to go into management, having additional area of expertise opens a lot of doors. > Either you need a credential (major, minor, certificate), or you need work experience in it. This has not been my experience. IME the bar to cross is knowledge, being able to pass the equivalent of a code screen or a technical interview; few companies outside of highly regulated markets care about a piece of paper to substantiate skills. As always, just my 2c; YMMV.

by ptero 3y ago

giantg2 3y ago

"not a hobby-level stuff" Well, that's sort of a catch-22. Either you need a credential (major, minor, certificate), or you need work experience in it. But of course you need that work experience in order to get the job, so it doesn't really make you more employable. Plus, most would tend to lose career velocity as they jump from one domain to the next. "There are definitely data points different from mine." That was all I was trying to say. Certainly applies to me as well.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
Linus did something that was definitely not hobby-level stuff at an obscure university in Finland with, on-paper, less prospects and at a probably younger age then you. It would be less impressive if Linus did the same at age 27 after a Master's at a top tier US school, but likely still enough to get a nice FAANG job with solid promotion prospects. That's likely what the parent meant, you need to show, something, in the 99th percentile among your peer cohort.
- bboylen 3y ago
  Are you really suggesting that new developers should simply contribute a Linux tier contribution to open source to be considered for entry level developer roles?
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    > It would be less impressive if Linus did the same at age 27 after a Master's at a top tier US school, but likely still enough to get a nice FAANG job with solid promotion prospects I'm not sure how you missed 1/3 of my comment. Clearly with such conditions it will not be an entry level job. Nor am I saying it's absolutely necessary. From what I understand a 99th percentile score on Leetcode will alone get you through the door. Though a nice job (~40 hour weeks, good team, above average comp. package) with solid promotion prospects is about the maximum even a somewhat less impressive version of Linus could expect at 27-28.
ptero 3y ago
> most would tend to lose career velocity as they jump from one domain to the next Absolutely. Gaining expertise in another domain would also cost time and effort (and maybe money). So I would not do it first thing after graduation and would only pick an area that I really like, so the extra work does not feel like work. But if one gets to senior levels and does not want to go into management, having additional area of expertise opens a lot of doors. > Either you need a credential (major, minor, certificate), or you need work experience in it. This has not been my experience. IME the bar to cross is knowledge, being able to pass the equivalent of a code screen or a technical interview; few companies outside of highly regulated markets care about a piece of paper to substantiate skills. As always, just my 2c; YMMV.