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I'm not sure if your indestructible 8mpg truck example was facetious, but you've actually, very accurately, described the Grumman Long-Life Vehicle - also known

I'm not sure if your indestructible 8mpg truck example was facetious, but you've actually, very accurately, described the Grumman Long-Life Vehicle - also known as the truck that delivers mail in most of the United States: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_LLV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_LLV.

reducesuffering 3y ago
I wasn't aware those are getting 8 - 10mpg in city, wow. Ya, I'm glad they're replacing those soon. This link referenced a study where hybrids take the equivalent of 325 gallons to produce[0]. This one is 474 for ICE[1] Let's say an EV is 500 - 1,000 gallons of gasoline energy then. One year of those Grumman LLV on the road, 1,500 gallons at 12k miles/yr is easily out-polluting the entire production and use of an EV replacement. [0]https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/green-life/2013/10/ask-mr-green-how-much-energy-make-new-car https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/green-life/2013/10/ask-mr-... [1]https://www.motorbiscuit.com/how-much-energy-to-build-a-car/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/how-much-energy-to-build-a-car/
- pengaru 3y ago
  > I wasn't aware those are getting 8 - 10mpg in city, wow. Ya, I'm glad they're replacing those soon. Most ICE vehicles will be in single digits MPG if all you did was repeatedly accelerate and brake at a frequency of curbside mailboxes. It's an ideal for EVs scenario.
  - reducesuffering 3y ago
    Hybrids do pretty well. A lot of the hybrid mpg improvement comes from regen. braking and engine stopping during city driving, not highway. Prius would get 40 - 50 mpg in those conditions.
  - flashback2199 3y ago
    Besides hybrids, this isn't true of at least some gas only vehicles also. I tested this once a few years ago when I had to drive like that for half a day in a non-hybrid 2008 Honda Civic. I filled up before and after to get the MPG and was amazed at how high it was. I think it was high 20's IIRC. The A/C was running the entire time as well.
- micah94 3y ago
  They've been talking about replacing these things "soon" for decades...
layman51 3y ago
I never realized that those vehicles get 8 mpg, but it makes sense because they are always making stops and possibly turning off and on again.

reducesuffering 3y ago

I wasn't aware those are getting 8 - 10mpg in city, wow. Ya, I'm glad they're replacing those soon. This link referenced a study where hybrids take the equivalent of 325 gallons to produce[0]. This one is 474 for ICE[1] Let's say an EV is 500 - 1,000 gallons of gasoline energy then. One year of those Grumman LLV on the road, 1,500 gallons at 12k miles/yr is easily out-polluting the entire production and use of an EV replacement. [0]https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/green-life/2013/10/ask-mr-green-how-much-energy-make-new-car https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/green-life/2013/10/ask-mr-... [1]https://www.motorbiscuit.com/how-much-energy-to-build-a-car/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/how-much-energy-to-build-a-car/

pengaru 3y ago
> I wasn't aware those are getting 8 - 10mpg in city, wow. Ya, I'm glad they're replacing those soon. Most ICE vehicles will be in single digits MPG if all you did was repeatedly accelerate and brake at a frequency of curbside mailboxes. It's an ideal for EVs scenario.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  Hybrids do pretty well. A lot of the hybrid mpg improvement comes from regen. braking and engine stopping during city driving, not highway. Prius would get 40 - 50 mpg in those conditions.
- flashback2199 3y ago
  Besides hybrids, this isn't true of at least some gas only vehicles also. I tested this once a few years ago when I had to drive like that for half a day in a non-hybrid 2008 Honda Civic. I filled up before and after to get the MPG and was amazed at how high it was. I think it was high 20's IIRC. The A/C was running the entire time as well.
micah94 3y ago
They've been talking about replacing these things "soon" for decades...

layman51 3y ago

I never realized that those vehicles get 8 mpg, but it makes sense because they are always making stops and possibly turning off and on again.