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As somebody who was in the Phase 3 clinical trial for the Pfizer vaccine in 2020, I was never skeptical about the intelligence of my fellow Americans until I sa

As somebody who was in the Phase 3 clinical trial for the Pfizer vaccine in 2020, I was never skeptical about the intelligence of my fellow Americans until I saw the way we handled covid. It's an article of faith in Team Hoax that "COVID vaccines will eventually turn out to be bad", even though unvaccinated people dropped like flies throughout all of 2021 (forever the year of the Herman Cain Awards). 400,000 deaths that were preventable by the vaccines. smh.

ifyoubuildit 3y ago
As one of those unvaccinated people that got covid in 2021, I wonder if you're aware of what your actual odds of dying from covid were at the time. Bonus points if you break it down by age. I'm not sure what probability dropping like flies equates to, but I think it's probably something pretty far off from reality. Also, whatever your position on any of this, the whole Herman Cain Awards thing is not something to be proud of participating in. Even if you buy the line that not taking the shots was some sort of major crime against your fellow humans (pretty hard to argue at this point, but for the sake of argument) HCA was disgusting.
- jewayne 3y ago
  I maintain that the unnecessary death of 400,000 people due to misinformation was more disgusting, but hey, to each his own.
  - ifyoubuildit 3y ago
    The unnecessary death of 400k people for any reason is indeed disgusting (even if those 400k were heavily weighted towards people who were at or beyond life expectancy, it's still tragic). That doesn't make it any more admirable for smug redditors to celebrate tragedy. Do you really find that to be a compelling argument?
    - jewayne 3y ago
      Whether you call it celebrating or properly recognizing, I feel they were doing a public service. Go back and read it, and you will see a distinct pattern, repeated literally hundreds of times. The same arc of (often vile) right-wing memes, conspiracy theories, and bravado, giving way to "tested positive, COVID is no joke", then to "calling all prayer warriors", and finally giving way to "X was the best, most generous person I ever knew". People who were obviously kind and good-hearted in their personal lives, but who had bought into, and propagated, the right wing disinformation loop. A generation from now, when history majors in US universities take their required course on the COVID-19 pandemic, I expect that the HCAs will be required reading.
      - ifyoubuildit 3y ago
        What was this public service? The best interpretation of this that I can come up with is that somehow, HCA would shame some number of at risk people into getting the vaccine and saving their lives. I wonder, are you familiar with any estimates on number needed to treat to prevent a death? In other words, how many people would need to be shamed into taking tbe vaccine to save one life? Realistically, it was a schadenfreude circle jerk. I obviously can't know this for sure, but I'm willing to wager that the number of people saved this way was negligible. It was just yet another place for the in crowd to shit on the out group and cheer each other on while they did it.
        jewayne 3y ago
        I already told you. When historians ask "Why did the US do so much more poorly in the pandemic than other first-world countries?" they will have a ready-made compilation of testimonials. This is tremendously important for future generations to know. Did the HCAs convince large numbers of people to get vaccinated? Almost certainly not, because these people were way beyond convincing. Yes every single person working in the ICU saw an instance where an unvaccinated patient wanted to get the vaccine after they were already on their death bed with COVID. But beyond that, I think almost no Team Hoax people changed their minds about the vaccine.

ifyoubuildit 3y ago

As one of those unvaccinated people that got covid in 2021, I wonder if you're aware of what your actual odds of dying from covid were at the time. Bonus points if you break it down by age. I'm not sure what probability dropping like flies equates to, but I think it's probably something pretty far off from reality. Also, whatever your position on any of this, the whole Herman Cain Awards thing is not something to be proud of participating in. Even if you buy the line that not taking the shots was some sort of major crime against your fellow humans (pretty hard to argue at this point, but for the sake of argument) HCA was disgusting.

jewayne 3y ago
I maintain that the unnecessary death of 400,000 people due to misinformation was more disgusting, but hey, to each his own.
- ifyoubuildit 3y ago
  The unnecessary death of 400k people for any reason is indeed disgusting (even if those 400k were heavily weighted towards people who were at or beyond life expectancy, it's still tragic). That doesn't make it any more admirable for smug redditors to celebrate tragedy. Do you really find that to be a compelling argument?
  - jewayne 3y ago
    Whether you call it celebrating or properly recognizing, I feel they were doing a public service. Go back and read it, and you will see a distinct pattern, repeated literally hundreds of times. The same arc of (often vile) right-wing memes, conspiracy theories, and bravado, giving way to "tested positive, COVID is no joke", then to "calling all prayer warriors", and finally giving way to "X was the best, most generous person I ever knew". People who were obviously kind and good-hearted in their personal lives, but who had bought into, and propagated, the right wing disinformation loop. A generation from now, when history majors in US universities take their required course on the COVID-19 pandemic, I expect that the HCAs will be required reading.
    - ifyoubuildit 3y ago
      What was this public service? The best interpretation of this that I can come up with is that somehow, HCA would shame some number of at risk people into getting the vaccine and saving their lives. I wonder, are you familiar with any estimates on number needed to treat to prevent a death? In other words, how many people would need to be shamed into taking tbe vaccine to save one life? Realistically, it was a schadenfreude circle jerk. I obviously can't know this for sure, but I'm willing to wager that the number of people saved this way was negligible. It was just yet another place for the in crowd to shit on the out group and cheer each other on while they did it.
      - jewayne 3y ago
        I already told you. When historians ask "Why did the US do so much more poorly in the pandemic than other first-world countries?" they will have a ready-made compilation of testimonials. This is tremendously important for future generations to know. Did the HCAs convince large numbers of people to get vaccinated? Almost certainly not, because these people were way beyond convincing. Yes every single person working in the ICU saw an instance where an unvaccinated patient wanted to get the vaccine after they were already on their death bed with COVID. But beyond that, I think almost no Team Hoax people changed their minds about the vaccine.