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Well then. LASIK it is.

by pensatoio 3y ago

garyfirestorm 3y ago
what happened to glasses?
- throwway120385 3y ago
  They fog up and fall off. Sometimes very far off. Farther than I'm willing to climb.
  - Vecr 3y ago
    Get a nerd strap for them?
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    If your glasses fall off then it sounds like a fit or material issue. Rimless titanium wire (hingeless) with polycarb lenses and they'll stay put in the most extreme of conditions with a sensible arm design.
    - loeg 3y ago
      Or you just aren't doing sports / physical activities.
      - hammyhavoc 3y ago
        "the most extreme of conditions", so I'm not sure why you wouldn't think this includes sports or physical activities.
        armitron 3y ago
        Can you link to some examples of such frames?
        hammyhavoc 3y ago
        Google "rimless titanium wire hingeless frame polycarb". You'll find plenty. As they're hingeless, you get far superior fit. They weigh much less than standard glasses, as such, they don't slip.
        loeg 3y ago
        I google those and the ones I see do not look like they would stay on your face if you were upside down, for example (and less extreme positions, of course, but that's easiest to describe). I wear glasses and contacts, and do sports, and contacts just work a lot better for sports. Glasses are totally fine for sitting at a computer or walking around or driving.
- seized 3y ago
  Some of us have high prescriptions which make glasses expensive and horribly unpleasant to wear regardless of frame size or lens choice. I am at -11.5 and with enough astigmatism that modern LASIK isn't an option, id have to get the old "slice a flap off" style. Hard pass.
DiabloD3 3y ago
You know glasses exist, right?
- gabrielsroka 3y ago
  Not the OP, but I can't wear glasses. Contacts are a lifesaver.
- steve_adams_86 3y ago
  I was just cleaning my shop and was constantly between fogged glasses behind eye protection and tons of dust accumulating on the lenses. I’ve worn glasses for 30 years and that aspect of wearing them is vastly inferior to corrective procedures or contacts. I would stick with contacts but, like this topic suggests, there are legitimate health concerns, and I can’t justify how disposable they are with no consideration of environmental impacts. I wish that wasn’t the case.
  - nawgz 3y ago
    The level of waste from monthly contact lenses is surely less than a grocery trip where you forget your reusable bags. I wouldn't even consider that aspect personally, they're tiny.
    - steve_adams_86 3y ago
      I suppose the way I look at it is that any practical option I have to reduce waste is likely worthwhile, and contacts falls square in that category.
      - nawgz 3y ago
        I find that a ridiculous viewpoint. Contacts are, as addressed, tiny. The amount of waste you generate from these things is almost nothing. I compared to a plastic bag earlier, but just imagine how much shit is wasted on a single private jet flight. Don't torture yourself when the people in position to enact change don't. Contacts also have an insane value prop. Vision assistance is more of a need than a want in a modern society where one has to work for money.
m463 3y ago
The best vision you can get is your real eyes plus contact lenses. Vision surgery will correct the central portion of your eyes, and it won't last your lifetime. After vision surgery, your prescription can continue to change, however it is difficult to correct the vision with contact lenses at that point because your eye has a "plateau" shape, which contacts aren't really designed for. Also, if there is astigmatism, it's hard to correct it at low diopters of correction.
- ademup 3y ago
  I had low diopter astigmatism and got lazik 6 years ago at 39. I consider it the best decision I've ever made that was just for me. I still have perfect vision, and if it degrades again I will happily get it done again. Just my experience, but I have yet to meet anyone who has regretted it.
  - pensatoio 3y ago
    Can you really have the procedure done a second time?
    - hammyhavoc 3y ago
      There is no limit for LASIK procedures.
    - nawgz 3y ago
      It just re-shapes your lens via subtraction. you can have it done as many times as your lens has enough material to be molded into the required geometry via removing material.
      - merlincorey 3y ago
        So how many times is that on average? Naively searching seems to mostly get well SEO'd results from LASIK related companies making claims like "In general, there is no limit on how many LASIK procedures you can get in your lifetime"[0]. Though that is followed by "The thickness of the cornea is one of the main determinations regarding the safety of multiple LASIK surgeries" in the same article which seems to contradict the previous statement as there is clearly a limit before it becomes unsafe to perform another procedure. Meanwhile on a very short search, I cannot seem to find any study or report about literally anyone having more than two laser eye surgeries. I did find an FDA guideline from 2022 that lists a surprising number of risks for laser eye surgeries[1]. [0] https://vson.com.au/how-many-times-can-you-have-lasik-eye-surgery/ https://vson.com.au/how-many-times-can-you-have-lasik-eye-su... [1] Laser-Assisted In Situ Keratomileusis (LASIK) Lasers - Patient Labeling Recommendations (https://www.fda.gov/media/160239/download https://www.fda.gov/media/160239/download)
PostOnce 3y ago
The other commenters pointed out that glasses are an option, but I feel like the real thing that is missed in lasik discussions is risk -- there is no risk of ruining your eyes by wearing glasses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LASIK#Risks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LASIK#Risks
- lordofgibbons 3y ago
  There's also a risk every time you go outside. Without actual odds of the risk occurring to you, it's a meaningless point. I looked into this 12 years ago when I was debating whether I should get LASIK, and the risk seemed minuscule. I'm sure odds of a bad outcome have gone down even more in that time.
  - nocsi 3y ago
    If you already waited 12 years, might as well wait more. What they don’t tell you is your eyes will continue to deteriorate after lasik. You might as well wait for the contact lens with stem cells sewn into it
    - lordofgibbons 3y ago
      There might have been a misunderstanding. I meant I got mine done 12 years ago and that's when I was researching the risks. I'm fine with getting them done again after another 15-20 years from now - well worth the money.
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Well then. LASIK it is.

garyfirestorm 3y ago

what happened to glasses?

throwway120385 3y ago
They fog up and fall off. Sometimes very far off. Farther than I'm willing to climb.
- Vecr 3y ago
  Get a nerd strap for them?
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  If your glasses fall off then it sounds like a fit or material issue. Rimless titanium wire (hingeless) with polycarb lenses and they'll stay put in the most extreme of conditions with a sensible arm design.
  - loeg 3y ago
    Or you just aren't doing sports / physical activities.
    - hammyhavoc 3y ago
      "the most extreme of conditions", so I'm not sure why you wouldn't think this includes sports or physical activities.
      - armitron 3y ago
        Can you link to some examples of such frames?
        hammyhavoc 3y ago
        Google "rimless titanium wire hingeless frame polycarb". You'll find plenty. As they're hingeless, you get far superior fit. They weigh much less than standard glasses, as such, they don't slip.
        loeg 3y ago
        I google those and the ones I see do not look like they would stay on your face if you were upside down, for example (and less extreme positions, of course, but that's easiest to describe). I wear glasses and contacts, and do sports, and contacts just work a lot better for sports. Glasses are totally fine for sitting at a computer or walking around or driving.
seized 3y ago
Some of us have high prescriptions which make glasses expensive and horribly unpleasant to wear regardless of frame size or lens choice. I am at -11.5 and with enough astigmatism that modern LASIK isn't an option, id have to get the old "slice a flap off" style. Hard pass.

DiabloD3 3y ago

You know glasses exist, right?

gabrielsroka 3y ago
Not the OP, but I can't wear glasses. Contacts are a lifesaver.
steve_adams_86 3y ago
I was just cleaning my shop and was constantly between fogged glasses behind eye protection and tons of dust accumulating on the lenses. I’ve worn glasses for 30 years and that aspect of wearing them is vastly inferior to corrective procedures or contacts. I would stick with contacts but, like this topic suggests, there are legitimate health concerns, and I can’t justify how disposable they are with no consideration of environmental impacts. I wish that wasn’t the case.
- nawgz 3y ago
  The level of waste from monthly contact lenses is surely less than a grocery trip where you forget your reusable bags. I wouldn't even consider that aspect personally, they're tiny.
  - steve_adams_86 3y ago
    I suppose the way I look at it is that any practical option I have to reduce waste is likely worthwhile, and contacts falls square in that category.
    - nawgz 3y ago
      I find that a ridiculous viewpoint. Contacts are, as addressed, tiny. The amount of waste you generate from these things is almost nothing. I compared to a plastic bag earlier, but just imagine how much shit is wasted on a single private jet flight. Don't torture yourself when the people in position to enact change don't. Contacts also have an insane value prop. Vision assistance is more of a need than a want in a modern society where one has to work for money.

m463 3y ago

The best vision you can get is your real eyes plus contact lenses. Vision surgery will correct the central portion of your eyes, and it won't last your lifetime. After vision surgery, your prescription can continue to change, however it is difficult to correct the vision with contact lenses at that point because your eye has a "plateau" shape, which contacts aren't really designed for. Also, if there is astigmatism, it's hard to correct it at low diopters of correction.

ademup 3y ago
I had low diopter astigmatism and got lazik 6 years ago at 39. I consider it the best decision I've ever made that was just for me. I still have perfect vision, and if it degrades again I will happily get it done again. Just my experience, but I have yet to meet anyone who has regretted it.
- pensatoio 3y ago
  Can you really have the procedure done a second time?
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    There is no limit for LASIK procedures.
  - nawgz 3y ago
    It just re-shapes your lens via subtraction. you can have it done as many times as your lens has enough material to be molded into the required geometry via removing material.
    - merlincorey 3y ago
      So how many times is that on average? Naively searching seems to mostly get well SEO'd results from LASIK related companies making claims like "In general, there is no limit on how many LASIK procedures you can get in your lifetime"[0]. Though that is followed by "The thickness of the cornea is one of the main determinations regarding the safety of multiple LASIK surgeries" in the same article which seems to contradict the previous statement as there is clearly a limit before it becomes unsafe to perform another procedure. Meanwhile on a very short search, I cannot seem to find any study or report about literally anyone having more than two laser eye surgeries. I did find an FDA guideline from 2022 that lists a surprising number of risks for laser eye surgeries[1]. [0] https://vson.com.au/how-many-times-can-you-have-lasik-eye-surgery/ https://vson.com.au/how-many-times-can-you-have-lasik-eye-su... [1] Laser-Assisted In Situ Keratomileusis (LASIK) Lasers - Patient Labeling Recommendations (https://www.fda.gov/media/160239/download https://www.fda.gov/media/160239/download)

PostOnce 3y ago

The other commenters pointed out that glasses are an option, but I feel like the real thing that is missed in lasik discussions is risk -- there is no risk of ruining your eyes by wearing glasses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LASIK#Risks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LASIK#Risks

lordofgibbons 3y ago
There's also a risk every time you go outside. Without actual odds of the risk occurring to you, it's a meaningless point. I looked into this 12 years ago when I was debating whether I should get LASIK, and the risk seemed minuscule. I'm sure odds of a bad outcome have gone down even more in that time.
- nocsi 3y ago
  If you already waited 12 years, might as well wait more. What they don’t tell you is your eyes will continue to deteriorate after lasik. You might as well wait for the contact lens with stem cells sewn into it
  - lordofgibbons 3y ago
    There might have been a misunderstanding. I meant I got mine done 12 years ago and that's when I was researching the risks. I'm fine with getting them done again after another 15-20 years from now - well worth the money.

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