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"I've already agreed not to shoot this dog if you give me what I want. Why are you being difficult and holding up the process?" [EDIT] Less flippantly, re-read

"I've already agreed not to shoot this dog if you give me what I want. Why are you being difficult and holding up the process?" [EDIT] Less flippantly, re-read what you wrote: it's not a refutation of my claim, but instead re-affirms it.

tivert 3y ago
>> Only one party's making demands and threatening to drive off the cliff if those demands are not met, though. > [EDIT] Less flippantly, re-read what you wrote: it's not a refutation of my claim, but instead re-affirms it. No. Are the Democrats going to pass the Republican bill to avoid a default? Refusing to pass anything and pursuing untried gimmicks is driving off the cliff and just hoping for a soft landing. Both parties are making demands.
- yamtaddle 3y ago
  "Don't drive off the cliff" "I agree not to drive off the cliff if you agree to these other things." Yes, technically those are both demands. [EDIT] I think the core thing I'm not getting here is why you think the Republicans aren't the ones demanding something in exchange for a debt ceiling increase because they put those demands in bill form and passed them. I do not follow how that somehow makes it not the thing that it literally is.
  - tivert 3y ago
    > "Don't drive off the cliff" > "I agree not to drive off the cliff if you agree to these other things." Both parties have the ability to instantly end this debt ceiling drama right now. They are both choosing not to do so. > [EDIT] I think the core thing I'm not getting here is why you think the Republicans aren't the ones demanding something in exchange for a debt ceiling increase because they put those demands in bill form and passed them. I do not follow how that somehow makes it not the thing that it literally is. Because that's artificial. Legislative action needs to happen, different parties have different bills to achieve that action, and they have to come to an agreement but they've decided to play chicken instead. All the crap about how they're making demands and we're not is just political posturing.
    - yamtaddle 3y ago
      You don't believe Democrats would agree to a clean debt ceiling bill, then?
meragrin_ 3y ago
It takes two to have a disagreement. The House did its job by passing a bill and sending it to the Senate. If the Democrats don't have any demands, that either means they completely agree and will pass the bill or they are planning to default. I don't believe they completely agree with the bill and I certainly hope they aren't looking for default. The last messaging I heard is the Democrats are DEMANDING a bill solely for raising the debt ceiling. So yes, the Democrats are "making demands and threatening to drive off the cliff if those demands are not met".
- yamtaddle 3y ago
  Framing "let's not drive off the cliff" as a demand for... not driving off the cliff, is pretty weird, but OK.

tivert 3y ago

>> Only one party's making demands and threatening to drive off the cliff if those demands are not met, though. > [EDIT] Less flippantly, re-read what you wrote: it's not a refutation of my claim, but instead re-affirms it. No. Are the Democrats going to pass the Republican bill to avoid a default? Refusing to pass anything and pursuing untried gimmicks is driving off the cliff and just hoping for a soft landing. Both parties are making demands.

yamtaddle 3y ago
"Don't drive off the cliff" "I agree not to drive off the cliff if you agree to these other things." Yes, technically those are both demands. [EDIT] I think the core thing I'm not getting here is why you think the Republicans aren't the ones demanding something in exchange for a debt ceiling increase because they put those demands in bill form and passed them. I do not follow how that somehow makes it not the thing that it literally is.
- tivert 3y ago
  > "Don't drive off the cliff" > "I agree not to drive off the cliff if you agree to these other things." Both parties have the ability to instantly end this debt ceiling drama right now. They are both choosing not to do so. > [EDIT] I think the core thing I'm not getting here is why you think the Republicans aren't the ones demanding something in exchange for a debt ceiling increase because they put those demands in bill form and passed them. I do not follow how that somehow makes it not the thing that it literally is. Because that's artificial. Legislative action needs to happen, different parties have different bills to achieve that action, and they have to come to an agreement but they've decided to play chicken instead. All the crap about how they're making demands and we're not is just political posturing.
  - yamtaddle 3y ago
    You don't believe Democrats would agree to a clean debt ceiling bill, then?

meragrin_ 3y ago

It takes two to have a disagreement. The House did its job by passing a bill and sending it to the Senate. If the Democrats don't have any demands, that either means they completely agree and will pass the bill or they are planning to default. I don't believe they completely agree with the bill and I certainly hope they aren't looking for default. The last messaging I heard is the Democrats are DEMANDING a bill solely for raising the debt ceiling. So yes, the Democrats are "making demands and threatening to drive off the cliff if those demands are not met".

yamtaddle 3y ago
Framing "let's not drive off the cliff" as a demand for... not driving off the cliff, is pretty weird, but OK.