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Stallman made some remarks defending Marvin Minsky (very poorly) from victims' allegations that he abused young girls on Epstein's island. Meanwhile, Reid Hoff

Stallman made some remarks defending Marvin Minsky (very poorly) from victims' allegations that he abused young girls on Epstein's island. Meanwhile, Reid Hoffman is now known to have visited the island and has not seen any firestorm of cancellations, as far as I'm aware.

tivert 3y ago
> Stallman made some remarks defending Marvin Minsky from victims' allegations that he abused young girls on Epstein's Island. Recently, or years ago? Because I'm pretty sure those remarks happened years ago.
hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
> Stallman made some remarks defending Marvin Minsky (very poorly) from victims' allegations that he abused young girls on Epstein's island. He basically said that the victims were harmed, that they were forced to have sex, but that probably Epstein also forced them to make sure it's not known, otherwise who would agree to such a relationship, that would be basically rape? Taking into account how easy is to accuse people and that Minsky had died 3 years earlier, Stallman just said what he thought of the situation and witch-hunting. Not to mention that the victim just said that Epstein asked her to have sex with Minsky but there is no mention that it actually happened - at least his wife denies this happened. But this was misrepresented in the media and even in headlines of major papers so I don't think the harm can be ever repaired.
verbify 3y ago
Stallman's comments can be verified. However we have no idea what Reid Hoffman saw or did on the island - he had plausible deniability. Therefore Stallman can face social consequences for his actions (without exposing EPFL to a defamation lawsuit), that is much harder with Reid Hoffman.
- serf 3y ago
  >Stallman's comments can be verified. However we have no idea what Reid Hoffman saw or did on the island we are comparing two people: one participated, and one was giving a personal opinion about the participation. here's my question. why are we pretending as if these two offenses are equal? An opinion can be changed, an action cannot. the plausible deniability factor of acting deaf and blind to a situation that surrounds you is paper-thin.
  - VagueMag 3y ago
    Locals who had never even visited called it "Pedophile Island."
inglor_cz 3y ago
This is actually consistent with Freddie de Boer's attempt to define wokeism [0]: It is an abstract academic ideology where symbols and words matter a lot, while real-world activity does not. [0] https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/of-course-you-know-what-woke-means https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/of-course-you-know-what...

tivert 3y ago

> Stallman made some remarks defending Marvin Minsky from victims' allegations that he abused young girls on Epstein's Island. Recently, or years ago? Because I'm pretty sure those remarks happened years ago.

hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago

> Stallman made some remarks defending Marvin Minsky (very poorly) from victims' allegations that he abused young girls on Epstein's island. He basically said that the victims were harmed, that they were forced to have sex, but that probably Epstein also forced them to make sure it's not known, otherwise who would agree to such a relationship, that would be basically rape? Taking into account how easy is to accuse people and that Minsky had died 3 years earlier, Stallman just said what he thought of the situation and witch-hunting. Not to mention that the victim just said that Epstein asked her to have sex with Minsky but there is no mention that it actually happened - at least his wife denies this happened. But this was misrepresented in the media and even in headlines of major papers so I don't think the harm can be ever repaired.

verbify 3y ago

Stallman's comments can be verified. However we have no idea what Reid Hoffman saw or did on the island - he had plausible deniability. Therefore Stallman can face social consequences for his actions (without exposing EPFL to a defamation lawsuit), that is much harder with Reid Hoffman.

serf 3y ago
>Stallman's comments can be verified. However we have no idea what Reid Hoffman saw or did on the island we are comparing two people: one participated, and one was giving a personal opinion about the participation. here's my question. why are we pretending as if these two offenses are equal? An opinion can be changed, an action cannot. the plausible deniability factor of acting deaf and blind to a situation that surrounds you is paper-thin.
- VagueMag 3y ago
  Locals who had never even visited called it "Pedophile Island."

inglor_cz 3y ago

This is actually consistent with Freddie de Boer's attempt to define wokeism [0]: It is an abstract academic ideology where symbols and words matter a lot, while real-world activity does not. [0] https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/of-course-you-know-what-woke-means https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/of-course-you-know-what...