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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Controversies probably covers it I'm guessing.

snvzz 3y ago
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- sokoloff 3y ago
  There are many factually accurate statements that are, nevertheless, inappropriate to wildly inappropriate under the circumstances. I have personally interacted with rms decades ago and have a generally positive impression of his entire body of contributions to computing. Nevertheless, reading the controversies section on the wikipedia page induces a combination of cringing and face-palming. Someone researching the science of attraction in humans could very well be justified in saying "it is normal for adults to be physically attracted to adolescents". Someone commenting in apparent defense of a convicted sex offender should not make that exact same claim, whether factually correct or not.
  - VagueMag 3y ago
    This is a classic motte and bailey: "it's normal for adults to be attracted to adolescents" used to defend "it was reasonable for a fat CS prof in his 70s to believe a young minor on Epstein's island wanted to have sex with him absent any coercion going on (or for Stallman to advance this idea)."
    - microtherion 3y ago
      For all we know, she may have been coerced to tell Minsky that reading The Society of Mind was such a turn on for her that she had to ravish the author there & then…
  - snvzz 3y ago
    >Someone commenting in apparent defense of a convicted sex offender should not make that exact same claim, whether factually correct or not. RMS simply kept faith on someone he knew and respected personally (not Epstein!), in the face of accusations he did not believe to be true[0]. 0. https://stallmansupport.org/debunking-false-accusations-against-richard-stallman.html https://stallmansupport.org/debunking-false-accusations-agai...
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      I don't know if rms knew Cody Wilson personally and respected him or not, but he doesn't make that claim in his text: https://www.stallman.org/archives/2018-jul-oct.html#23_September_2018_(Cody_Wilson) https://www.stallman.org/archives/2018-jul-oct.html#23_Septe...
      - snvzz 3y ago
        The person I was referring to is Marvin Minsky, who is dead and thus cannot defend himself.
        sokoloff 3y ago
        That is not the person about whom rms made the post with the text in question. (Minksy is not a convicted sex offender.)
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- h2odragon 3y ago
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snvzz 3y ago

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sokoloff 3y ago
There are many factually accurate statements that are, nevertheless, inappropriate to wildly inappropriate under the circumstances. I have personally interacted with rms decades ago and have a generally positive impression of his entire body of contributions to computing. Nevertheless, reading the controversies section on the wikipedia page induces a combination of cringing and face-palming. Someone researching the science of attraction in humans could very well be justified in saying "it is normal for adults to be physically attracted to adolescents". Someone commenting in apparent defense of a convicted sex offender should not make that exact same claim, whether factually correct or not.
- VagueMag 3y ago
  This is a classic motte and bailey: "it's normal for adults to be attracted to adolescents" used to defend "it was reasonable for a fat CS prof in his 70s to believe a young minor on Epstein's island wanted to have sex with him absent any coercion going on (or for Stallman to advance this idea)."
  - microtherion 3y ago
    For all we know, she may have been coerced to tell Minsky that reading The Society of Mind was such a turn on for her that she had to ravish the author there & then…
- snvzz 3y ago
  >Someone commenting in apparent defense of a convicted sex offender should not make that exact same claim, whether factually correct or not. RMS simply kept faith on someone he knew and respected personally (not Epstein!), in the face of accusations he did not believe to be true[0]. 0. https://stallmansupport.org/debunking-false-accusations-against-richard-stallman.html https://stallmansupport.org/debunking-false-accusations-agai...
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    I don't know if rms knew Cody Wilson personally and respected him or not, but he doesn't make that claim in his text: https://www.stallman.org/archives/2018-jul-oct.html#23_September_2018_(Cody_Wilson) https://www.stallman.org/archives/2018-jul-oct.html#23_Septe...
    - snvzz 3y ago
      The person I was referring to is Marvin Minsky, who is dead and thus cannot defend himself.
      - sokoloff 3y ago
        That is not the person about whom rms made the post with the text in question. (Minksy is not a convicted sex offender.)
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h2odragon 3y ago
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