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The implication is of course that your advertizing data is so valuable to subsidize the cost. I don't believe it - maybe advertizers do of course. Actually from

The implication is of course that your advertizing data is so valuable to subsidize the cost. I don't believe it - maybe advertizers do of course. Actually from the outside it looks like the advertizing market is continuously collapsing. Look how bad ads have become, and how irrelevant linear ad-paid TV has become. I think what's actually going on is that the $200 (or let it be $400, same ballpark) is a fair price. Drizzle a few LCD crystals on a glass plate, pop it into a cheap injection molded plastic case with an off-the-shelf TV mainboard and ship it in a container. Also, $200 is a lot of money, for that price you can get a supercomputer for your pocket! I think what's really going on is that the price of food is insane and our food industry is a grift, but that is a different topic.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
Imagine a world without advertising constantly. No generation before us has ever had to deal with this kind of constant aggressive product placement. It makes me want to hatch a plan to take over the world, solely to ban advertising in every way, shape, and form, outside of Yellowpages. It's completely out of hand. And it would take real restraint to not send the advertisers to the pillory for the rest of their lives for thinking this is an OK way to treat human beings.
- plagiarist 3y ago
  The entire modern corporate ecosystem is build by and for adtech. Its interesting to imagine where we would be if advertising had been disallowed or nonviable as a business model.
hammyhavoc 3y ago
A cellphone isn't a supercomputer. Sure, it might have relatively decent grunt versus computers of yesteryear, but it doesn't trade punches with the average GPC, nor an actual supercomputer.
- zamnos 3y ago
  It trades punches just fine. What do you think people use computers for? Punches like "has access to the Internet" or "runs Google Docs". Other ones too, like "runs Candy Crush" or "lets me watch Netflix/YouTube/Disney+". True, it'll get sucker punched by shots like "runs Kerbal" or "runs Factorio" but that's a niche market.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    Except it doesn't trade punches whatsoever, especially once you consider price-to-performance of what a £1000 computer performs like versus a £1000 smartphone. You're not scoring movies, doing serious CAD and you're not playing latest-gen games in max quality from a phone. The popularity of something has no bearing on whether something is or is not a supercomputer or capable of trading punches with a desktop computer of equal price. Irrelevant counterpoint.

gjsman-1000 3y ago

Imagine a world without advertising constantly. No generation before us has ever had to deal with this kind of constant aggressive product placement. It makes me want to hatch a plan to take over the world, solely to ban advertising in every way, shape, and form, outside of Yellowpages. It's completely out of hand. And it would take real restraint to not send the advertisers to the pillory for the rest of their lives for thinking this is an OK way to treat human beings.

plagiarist 3y ago
The entire modern corporate ecosystem is build by and for adtech. Its interesting to imagine where we would be if advertising had been disallowed or nonviable as a business model.

hammyhavoc 3y ago

A cellphone isn't a supercomputer. Sure, it might have relatively decent grunt versus computers of yesteryear, but it doesn't trade punches with the average GPC, nor an actual supercomputer.

zamnos 3y ago
It trades punches just fine. What do you think people use computers for? Punches like "has access to the Internet" or "runs Google Docs". Other ones too, like "runs Candy Crush" or "lets me watch Netflix/YouTube/Disney+". True, it'll get sucker punched by shots like "runs Kerbal" or "runs Factorio" but that's a niche market.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  Except it doesn't trade punches whatsoever, especially once you consider price-to-performance of what a £1000 computer performs like versus a £1000 smartphone. You're not scoring movies, doing serious CAD and you're not playing latest-gen games in max quality from a phone. The popularity of something has no bearing on whether something is or is not a supercomputer or capable of trading punches with a desktop computer of equal price. Irrelevant counterpoint.