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"Why choose to work for people who's morals you don't agree with" Most people don't have infinite choice about their employers. This is the second time I've ha

"Why choose to work for people who's morals you don't agree with" Most people don't have infinite choice about their employers. This is the second time I've had to explain this on Hackernews in a week, but employers enjoy a structural advantage in the labor market which basically necessitates unions if workers are to represent a comparable market power. Just because a person doesn't have good employment choices doesn't mean they shouldn't have collective bargaining rights.

vasco 3y ago
I don't agree employers enjoy a structural advantage, demonstrated by the fact that when inflation went up and salaries stayed flat, people stopped going to work. It works, and it works quickly. Perhaps you remember all the ads from fast food joints offering sign-up bonus for what had just been minimum wage jobs. The government should enforce some basic rules and provide a safety net for workers to be able to quit their jobs and find another one within a reasonable amount of time. That actually works, not propping up failed businesses with morally bankrupt leadership or just pure lack of sense through a union. I believe your cure is worse than the disease.
- nathan_compton 3y ago
  I'd argue that if people are forced to work in fast food at all, typically part time, without benefits, and almost no regularity to plan their lives around, and where the training materials explicitly suggest that the employees use state benefits, it is indicative of a structural advantage on the part of the employer.
  - vasco 3y ago
    > forced to work in fast food at all I think we have way too different ways to look at the world when you see things like this. I support a livable minimum wage that doesn't require multiple full time jobs or state support if you're employed to have a simple but dignified life. We should agree on that and can leave the rest for a different dance.

vasco 3y ago

I don't agree employers enjoy a structural advantage, demonstrated by the fact that when inflation went up and salaries stayed flat, people stopped going to work. It works, and it works quickly. Perhaps you remember all the ads from fast food joints offering sign-up bonus for what had just been minimum wage jobs. The government should enforce some basic rules and provide a safety net for workers to be able to quit their jobs and find another one within a reasonable amount of time. That actually works, not propping up failed businesses with morally bankrupt leadership or just pure lack of sense through a union. I believe your cure is worse than the disease.

nathan_compton 3y ago
I'd argue that if people are forced to work in fast food at all, typically part time, without benefits, and almost no regularity to plan their lives around, and where the training materials explicitly suggest that the employees use state benefits, it is indicative of a structural advantage on the part of the employer.
- vasco 3y ago
  > forced to work in fast food at all I think we have way too different ways to look at the world when you see things like this. I support a livable minimum wage that doesn't require multiple full time jobs or state support if you're employed to have a simple but dignified life. We should agree on that and can leave the rest for a different dance.