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> abortion protesters have a habit of assassinating doctors that perform abortions What’s the prevalence of this occurring? Wikipedia calls out 7 in the US [0]

> abortion protesters have a habit of assassinating doctors that perform abortions What’s the prevalence of this occurring? Wikipedia calls out 7 in the US [0] with the most recent in 2015. This this seems like profiling protesters as assassins is about as rational as profiling members of a certain religion as terrorists. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

manuelabeledo 3y ago
Latest shooting of a Planned Parenthood clinic was in 2021. The fact that they haven't succeeded, doesn't mean that they haven't repeatedly tried.
FireBeyond 3y ago
> What’s the prevalence of this occurring? Wikipedia calls out 7 in the US Your very own link says 11: > In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people Also, perhaps not assassination but violence makes things look far worse than you handwaving it as a non-issue: > there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded,100 butyric acid stink bomb attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers. Between 1977 and 1990, 77 death threats were made, with 250 made between 1991 and 1999. Attempted murders in the U.S. included: in 1985 45% of clinics reported bomb threats, decreasing to 15% in 2000. One fifth of clinics in 2000 experienced some form of extreme activity. > property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs"). (some overlap between both quotes).
- prepend 3y ago
  > Your very own link says 11 Thanks for the correction, you’re right. I miscited the number in the 90s with the total number. 11 seems the most accurate for deaths of abortion healthcare workers. > hand waving Not at all. I think this is a serious issue and we should have zero murders. My point is that saying abortion protesters are assassins (or even violent) is not an accurate assumption based on the very low level of violence to protesters. I think we should use language and logic accurately even if we disagree with the cause. It’s not right to lump all abortion protestors with the criminals who harm healthcare workers just like it’s not right to lump all BLM protestors with rioters who burn stuff down or all followers of Islam with terrorists. The rates of non-violent to violent are different among all three groups but all extremely low. I’ll defend all three groups even though I’m against the first, for the second, and ambivalent to the third. But I don’t want to fall into the logical trap of getting sloppy with my generalizations because I want to stop a certain behavior.

manuelabeledo 3y ago

Latest shooting of a Planned Parenthood clinic was in 2021. The fact that they haven't succeeded, doesn't mean that they haven't repeatedly tried.

FireBeyond 3y ago

> What’s the prevalence of this occurring? Wikipedia calls out 7 in the US Your very own link says 11: > In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people Also, perhaps not assassination but violence makes things look far worse than you handwaving it as a non-issue: > there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded,100 butyric acid stink bomb attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers. Between 1977 and 1990, 77 death threats were made, with 250 made between 1991 and 1999. Attempted murders in the U.S. included: in 1985 45% of clinics reported bomb threats, decreasing to 15% in 2000. One fifth of clinics in 2000 experienced some form of extreme activity. > property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs"). (some overlap between both quotes).

prepend 3y ago
> Your very own link says 11 Thanks for the correction, you’re right. I miscited the number in the 90s with the total number. 11 seems the most accurate for deaths of abortion healthcare workers. > hand waving Not at all. I think this is a serious issue and we should have zero murders. My point is that saying abortion protesters are assassins (or even violent) is not an accurate assumption based on the very low level of violence to protesters. I think we should use language and logic accurately even if we disagree with the cause. It’s not right to lump all abortion protestors with the criminals who harm healthcare workers just like it’s not right to lump all BLM protestors with rioters who burn stuff down or all followers of Islam with terrorists. The rates of non-violent to violent are different among all three groups but all extremely low. I’ll defend all three groups even though I’m against the first, for the second, and ambivalent to the third. But I don’t want to fall into the logical trap of getting sloppy with my generalizations because I want to stop a certain behavior.