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> The gap is about 1 standard deviation Do you have any studies to link?

by jkukul 3y ago

ryan93 3y ago
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- famouswaffles 3y ago
  This is not a study. It's a poorly backed/argued opinion piece.
  - ryan93 3y ago
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    - famouswaffles 3y ago
      Because i've seen the post before lol. It's been on the internet for a couple years.
      - ryan93 3y ago
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        famouswaffles 3y ago
        How does that make sense ? You read something and then you see it's poorly argued. I'm not a magician. I don't care if people read that lol. I don't even really care if they believe the nonsense he's spouting. I reckon people like that will always exist. I'm just telling you that that's not a study. You say you had a study and then you link an opinion piece.
        ryan93 3y ago
        https://osf.io/4an93/ https://osf.io/4an93/ , https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0883035589900025 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/088303..., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2907168/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2907168/, https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain-sciences/article/abs/blackwhite-factor-is-g/69FA86DF4FEA49A66CD6442979689912 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain... , https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886915300994 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01918..., https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301303123_Genetic_and_Environmental_Determinants_of_IQ_in_Black_White_and_Hispanic_Americans_A_Meta-analysis_and_New_Analysis https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301303123_Genetic_a... , https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/5,https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/17 https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/5,https://www.mdpi.com/26... should i keep going. i have dozens more
        famouswaffles 3y ago
        If you’re asserting that intelligence has a genetic component tied to race, the burden on you to demonstrate that connection You would need to demonstrate that: “Race” can be defined in a way that has consistent significance (Our current social indicators of race make so sense biologically) that intelligence is consistently heritable within those racial categories that genetics are the source of that heritability to the exclusion of other factors It’s not enough to simply wave your hand to say “they do roughly classify people with similar ancestry together.” What we do know is that IQ differences correlate strongly to factors totally unrelated to genetics. Look just at the results of IQ studies within Europe - https://i.imgur.com/IcHt0tu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/IcHt0tu.jpg That data is actually pulled from a book that argues in favor of a generic element to intelligence affecting national wealth, but at a national level instead of a racial one - https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard_Lynn3/publication/289962908_IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations/links/5c333185a6fdccd6b598bb39/IQ-and-the-Wealth-of-Nations.pdf?origin=publication_detail https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard_Lynn3/publicati... The differences the authors find between nations are wildly large. Do you really think that East Germans were nearly 10 IQ points dumber by genetics than the West Germans in 1968-70, or that the Israelis got dumber between 1975 and 1989? Europeans cluster with Middle Easteners and Central Asians - https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/324/5930/1035/F4.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/324/5930/1035/F4.... but the latter groups have universally low IQ, mostly under 90. Palestinians only average 85 - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001093 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... even though they're genetically the same as Meddeterreaneans, who average as much as 102 (Italy). Why define "white" as "European only" when Arabs, Central Asians, South Asians and North Africans have the same shared mutual ancestry? How is IQ primarily inherited and not environmental when non-European caucasians have uniformly low IQ relative to Euros? I'd also love for you to explain how IQ is consistently going up over the last 100 years across the west? That's like 4 generations, not anywhere enough time for natural selection to kick in. Those types of results show up time and time again in IQ studies. Whatever genetic component there is to IQ is less important than the environmental component, AND that the genetic element varies so wildly within even homogenous populations that talking about larger constructed population categories like “race” doesn’t actually say anything useful.
- dS0rrow 3y ago
  Cremieux is the pen name of reddit user u/TrannyPornO just read some of his comments.
sanxiyn 3y ago
Yes, a ton. I recommend https://www.amazon.com/Intelligence-That-Matters-Stuart-Ritchie/dp/1444791877 https://www.amazon.com/Intelligence-That-Matters-Stuart-Ritc...

> The gap is about 1 standard deviation Do you have any studies to link?

by jkukul 3y ago

> The gap is about 1 standard deviation Do you have any studies to link?

ryan93 3y ago

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famouswaffles 3y ago
This is not a study. It's a poorly backed/argued opinion piece.
- ryan93 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - famouswaffles 3y ago
    Because i've seen the post before lol. It's been on the internet for a couple years.
    - ryan93 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - famouswaffles 3y ago
        How does that make sense ? You read something and then you see it's poorly argued. I'm not a magician. I don't care if people read that lol. I don't even really care if they believe the nonsense he's spouting. I reckon people like that will always exist. I'm just telling you that that's not a study. You say you had a study and then you link an opinion piece.
        ryan93 3y ago
        https://osf.io/4an93/ https://osf.io/4an93/ , https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0883035589900025 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/088303..., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2907168/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2907168/, https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain-sciences/article/abs/blackwhite-factor-is-g/69FA86DF4FEA49A66CD6442979689912 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/behavioral-and-brain... , https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886915300994 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01918..., https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301303123_Genetic_and_Environmental_Determinants_of_IQ_in_Black_White_and_Hispanic_Americans_A_Meta-analysis_and_New_Analysis https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301303123_Genetic_a... , https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/5,https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/17 https://www.mdpi.com/2624-8611/1/1/5,https://www.mdpi.com/26... should i keep going. i have dozens more
        famouswaffles 3y ago
        If you’re asserting that intelligence has a genetic component tied to race, the burden on you to demonstrate that connection You would need to demonstrate that: “Race” can be defined in a way that has consistent significance (Our current social indicators of race make so sense biologically) that intelligence is consistently heritable within those racial categories that genetics are the source of that heritability to the exclusion of other factors It’s not enough to simply wave your hand to say “they do roughly classify people with similar ancestry together.” What we do know is that IQ differences correlate strongly to factors totally unrelated to genetics. Look just at the results of IQ studies within Europe - https://i.imgur.com/IcHt0tu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/IcHt0tu.jpg That data is actually pulled from a book that argues in favor of a generic element to intelligence affecting national wealth, but at a national level instead of a racial one - https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard_Lynn3/publication/289962908_IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations/links/5c333185a6fdccd6b598bb39/IQ-and-the-Wealth-of-Nations.pdf?origin=publication_detail https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard_Lynn3/publicati... The differences the authors find between nations are wildly large. Do you really think that East Germans were nearly 10 IQ points dumber by genetics than the West Germans in 1968-70, or that the Israelis got dumber between 1975 and 1989? Europeans cluster with Middle Easteners and Central Asians - https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/324/5930/1035/F4.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/324/5930/1035/F4.... but the latter groups have universally low IQ, mostly under 90. Palestinians only average 85 - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001093 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... even though they're genetically the same as Meddeterreaneans, who average as much as 102 (Italy). Why define "white" as "European only" when Arabs, Central Asians, South Asians and North Africans have the same shared mutual ancestry? How is IQ primarily inherited and not environmental when non-European caucasians have uniformly low IQ relative to Euros? I'd also love for you to explain how IQ is consistently going up over the last 100 years across the west? That's like 4 generations, not anywhere enough time for natural selection to kick in. Those types of results show up time and time again in IQ studies. Whatever genetic component there is to IQ is less important than the environmental component, AND that the genetic element varies so wildly within even homogenous populations that talking about larger constructed population categories like “race” doesn’t actually say anything useful.
dS0rrow 3y ago
Cremieux is the pen name of reddit user u/TrannyPornO just read some of his comments.

sanxiyn 3y ago

Yes, a ton. I recommend https://www.amazon.com/Intelligence-That-Matters-Stuart-Ritchie/dp/1444791877 https://www.amazon.com/Intelligence-That-Matters-Stuart-Ritc...