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I've tried to crawl through the underlying article - it basically sounds like non-sugar sweeteners have similar outcomes to consuming sugar... which is crazy.

by Pxtl 3y ago

I've tried to crawl through the underlying article - it basically sounds like non-sugar sweeteners have similar outcomes to consuming sugar... which is crazy. I can't find anything in the article - is there any theory about the mechanism? How NSS could cause diabetes? The way sugar causes diabetes is well-understood, I can't imagine it applies to other sweeteners.

MSFT_Edging 3y ago
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there other ways that diabetes is caused with bad diet, aside from eating a lot of sugar straight? I imagine artificial sweeteners could have an effect of not significantly changing one's diet enough or compensating in other ways. I'm sure people who put the effort in other areas of their diet with NSS, will see results. But people who see NSS as a cheatcode to continue their habits might not see results. Framing NSS as a way to not change habits and continue to enjoy various treats might obfuscate the mechanisms for losing weight and cause weight loss to not occur.
- rickydroll 3y ago
  Quite a few pathways to diabetes other than eating sugar. https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/symptoms-causes https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overvi... To the bad diet issue, diabetes is triggered by excess of carbohydrates hence the Association was sugar but sugar is not the only form of carbohydrate that causes insulin spikes and subsequent insulin resistance. Basically any cereal (aka grain) can spike the blood sugar to the point of causing diabetes. White rice, white flour lead the pack but as I've discovered with my CGM, any starchy food causes unacceptably high glucose spikes which leaves me eating nothing but non-starchy vegetables and meat.
steanne 3y ago
from what i vaguely recall, a body starts releasing insulin when it expects incoming sugar because if it waits until the sugar hits the bloodstream, it has to dump a bunch at once, which is a strain, so it uses environmental cues like the taste (or even smell?) of something sweet. if you keep tricking your body by tasting something sweet, have it start to release insulin, and then have that insulin go unused, it may start to ignore that signal.
- amanaplanacanal 3y ago
  This seems like it would be pretty easy to test, but I can’t find anybody who has actually done it.
jabroni_salad 3y ago
1. NSS users are still addicted to sweets and probably other junk foods. Whatever lunch option you are pairing a diet coke with is probably still not great. 2. A lot of people who try to cut sugar end up getting blind sided by carbs and starches, which become sugar during digestion. See above. 3. There are a lot of common staple items that are still sugarfied despite being marketed differently. How many people out there still think breakfast cereal is good for them? That yogurt advertising its antibiotic and other vitamins? There's a reason you have to turn the package around to see the sugar content.

by Pxtl 3y ago

MSFT_Edging 3y ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there other ways that diabetes is caused with bad diet, aside from eating a lot of sugar straight? I imagine artificial sweeteners could have an effect of not significantly changing one's diet enough or compensating in other ways. I'm sure people who put the effort in other areas of their diet with NSS, will see results. But people who see NSS as a cheatcode to continue their habits might not see results. Framing NSS as a way to not change habits and continue to enjoy various treats might obfuscate the mechanisms for losing weight and cause weight loss to not occur.

rickydroll 3y ago
Quite a few pathways to diabetes other than eating sugar. https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overview/symptoms-causes https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/diabetes/overvi... To the bad diet issue, diabetes is triggered by excess of carbohydrates hence the Association was sugar but sugar is not the only form of carbohydrate that causes insulin spikes and subsequent insulin resistance. Basically any cereal (aka grain) can spike the blood sugar to the point of causing diabetes. White rice, white flour lead the pack but as I've discovered with my CGM, any starchy food causes unacceptably high glucose spikes which leaves me eating nothing but non-starchy vegetables and meat.

steanne 3y ago

from what i vaguely recall, a body starts releasing insulin when it expects incoming sugar because if it waits until the sugar hits the bloodstream, it has to dump a bunch at once, which is a strain, so it uses environmental cues like the taste (or even smell?) of something sweet. if you keep tricking your body by tasting something sweet, have it start to release insulin, and then have that insulin go unused, it may start to ignore that signal.

amanaplanacanal 3y ago
This seems like it would be pretty easy to test, but I can’t find anybody who has actually done it.

jabroni_salad 3y ago

1. NSS users are still addicted to sweets and probably other junk foods. Whatever lunch option you are pairing a diet coke with is probably still not great. 2. A lot of people who try to cut sugar end up getting blind sided by carbs and starches, which become sugar during digestion. See above. 3. There are a lot of common staple items that are still sugarfied despite being marketed differently. How many people out there still think breakfast cereal is good for them? That yogurt advertising its antibiotic and other vitamins? There's a reason you have to turn the package around to see the sugar content.