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Your complaints are moral and subjective. They don't seem to fall under the category of "huge problem". All Churches endeavor to "hoards". Not one doesn't. For

Your complaints are moral and subjective. They don't seem to fall under the category of "huge problem". All Churches endeavor to "hoards". Not one doesn't. For a variety of good reasons. That being said, your moral complaints are valid for you. I hope that you can reconcile them or find a community that better meets you where your values are.

vlunkr 3y ago
When it comes to a church, all complaints are moral. If you claim to have the power of God on earth, you should expect every action you take to be viewed through that lens. I do concede that they are subjective though. And obviously many Mormons are aware of the facts and come to different conclusions than me, and I'm ok with that.
snapplebobapple 3y ago
I would come at this from a different angle in that this is just a subset of the hugely problematic tax free status of most charities, universities and churches, rather than a thing unique to mormons. Amassing a large pot of tax free money is not good for society no matter who is doing it for very obvious reasons.
cashsterling 3y ago
I would love to hear your description and explanation of "good reasons" for religious organizations to hoard money [when they are supposed to be spiritually focused].
- TallGuyShort 3y ago
  I mean I volunteer for a church that does a huge amount of philanthropy, and as what we do comes in waves, we store up funds when we don't have a lot of community needs. Looking at the US economy I would actually expect needs to increase for some time so I think we should be saving more than we are at the moment in anticipation. I don't trust the government to personally bail me out very well and I don't trust them to do anything better with tax revenue. Even this $100B hedge fund could be completely spent by the federal government in 6 days and a lot of that would just be servicing debt I've never agreed with carrying in the first place, or funding a military that I don't think makes the world a better place any better than my church does.
  - vlunkr 3y ago
    This is definitely one place where it gets morally tricky. The church has facilities and programs to run, and needs protection against economic downturn. And it's not financially wise to have a bunch of liquid cash on-hand. For me the points in my original comment push it into immoral territory.
JohnFen 3y ago
> All Churches endeavor to "hoards". Not one doesn't. Perhaps you're defining "churches" differently than I, but there certainly exist churches that don't endeavor to hoard anything
- cbluth 3y ago
  ... except your soul

vlunkr 3y ago

When it comes to a church, all complaints are moral. If you claim to have the power of God on earth, you should expect every action you take to be viewed through that lens. I do concede that they are subjective though. And obviously many Mormons are aware of the facts and come to different conclusions than me, and I'm ok with that.

snapplebobapple 3y ago

I would come at this from a different angle in that this is just a subset of the hugely problematic tax free status of most charities, universities and churches, rather than a thing unique to mormons. Amassing a large pot of tax free money is not good for society no matter who is doing it for very obvious reasons.

cashsterling 3y ago

I would love to hear your description and explanation of "good reasons" for religious organizations to hoard money [when they are supposed to be spiritually focused].

TallGuyShort 3y ago
I mean I volunteer for a church that does a huge amount of philanthropy, and as what we do comes in waves, we store up funds when we don't have a lot of community needs. Looking at the US economy I would actually expect needs to increase for some time so I think we should be saving more than we are at the moment in anticipation. I don't trust the government to personally bail me out very well and I don't trust them to do anything better with tax revenue. Even this $100B hedge fund could be completely spent by the federal government in 6 days and a lot of that would just be servicing debt I've never agreed with carrying in the first place, or funding a military that I don't think makes the world a better place any better than my church does.
- vlunkr 3y ago
  This is definitely one place where it gets morally tricky. The church has facilities and programs to run, and needs protection against economic downturn. And it's not financially wise to have a bunch of liquid cash on-hand. For me the points in my original comment push it into immoral territory.

JohnFen 3y ago

> All Churches endeavor to "hoards". Not one doesn't. Perhaps you're defining "churches" differently than I, but there certainly exist churches that don't endeavor to hoard anything

cbluth 3y ago
... except your soul