> My experience is that when managers stop doing their jobs, people start working on whatever is the most fun If people aren't doing their jobs they should be

> My experience is that when managers stop doing their jobs, people start working on whatever is the most fun If people aren't doing their jobs they should be fired - not have someone babysit them and the whole team so everyone just suffers. All that ends up happening is introduce things like broken scrum and push to show cards getting down rather than real value. Congrats. You've gone from 1 extreme to the other. No difference.