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I think that your problem is that using the word “murder” implies “unjust.” Funny enough, you actually accept “state-sanctioned murder” right now, like it or n

I think that your problem is that using the word “murder” implies “unjust.” Funny enough, you actually accept “state-sanctioned murder” right now, like it or not. Any soldier who attempts to invade Ukraine may be shot without a trial or a hearing. If “state-sanctioned murder” is always immoral, Ukraine should let them in peacefully, and appeal to higher authorities to diplomatically come to a solution to the “illegal immigration of young Russian men with guns” problem. I don’t think that’s a good idea and I don’t believe you do either. That’s fine. Invading a country is enough to be threatened with death. Attacking someone’s daughter for the fourth time isn’t.

93po 3y ago
Murder to me means taking a life without being prompted to do so out of self defense. There is no reason to kill someone locked behind bars where they are physically incapable of doing anyone harm. I am against the death penalty in any form for any reason. This is murder, and it's done out of a sense of justice, which is a childish excuse to make people feel better. A Ukrainian soldier defending an invasion is just that - defense. I have more nuanced thoughts about pacifism and how it applies to this situation, but it isn't worth getting into because no one here would discuss it in good faith and it's also off topic.
- gjsman-1000 3y ago
  > Murder to me means taking a life without being prompted to do so out of self defense. I hope there is a missing adjective there. > There is no reason to kill someone locked behind bars where they are physically incapable of doing anyone harm. Just sharing my thoughts, but prisons are only as safe as the local power supply. When things go south, you end up with the Camp Hill Prison Riots.
  - 93po 3y ago
    > Just sharing my thoughts, but prisons are only as safe as the local power supply. When things go south, you end up with the Camp Hill Prison Riots. Having worked inside prisons (in a volunteer capacity) I can confidently say that they maintain safety even without power and that the ability for people to riot in the manner that happened at Camp Hill was the result of procedural problems that mostly don't exist at prisons anymore.

93po 3y ago

Murder to me means taking a life without being prompted to do so out of self defense. There is no reason to kill someone locked behind bars where they are physically incapable of doing anyone harm. I am against the death penalty in any form for any reason. This is murder, and it's done out of a sense of justice, which is a childish excuse to make people feel better. A Ukrainian soldier defending an invasion is just that - defense. I have more nuanced thoughts about pacifism and how it applies to this situation, but it isn't worth getting into because no one here would discuss it in good faith and it's also off topic.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
> Murder to me means taking a life without being prompted to do so out of self defense. I hope there is a missing adjective there. > There is no reason to kill someone locked behind bars where they are physically incapable of doing anyone harm. Just sharing my thoughts, but prisons are only as safe as the local power supply. When things go south, you end up with the Camp Hill Prison Riots.
- 93po 3y ago
  > Just sharing my thoughts, but prisons are only as safe as the local power supply. When things go south, you end up with the Camp Hill Prison Riots. Having worked inside prisons (in a volunteer capacity) I can confidently say that they maintain safety even without power and that the ability for people to riot in the manner that happened at Camp Hill was the result of procedural problems that mostly don't exist at prisons anymore.