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Actually, it's the definition of punishment: inflicting or imposing penalties as retribution for an offense. Withdrawing privileges is an imposed penalty. idk

Actually, it's the definition of punishment: inflicting or imposing penalties as retribution for an offense. Withdrawing privileges is an imposed penalty. idk if it's appropriate or not, but it's objectively punishment not just an opinion children have.

throwaway173738 3y ago
It’s called negative punishment, and is pretty ineffective at eliciting the desired behavior. Positive reinforcement is the only way to spotlight the behavior you want by rewarding it. Punishment is more like learning the shape of a room by stubbing your toes on the walls. You’ll eventually get it but only after trying everything else you can think of.
- logifail 3y ago
  > It’s called negative punishment It isn't: "[..] people confuse negative reinforcement with punishment, but these are two different concepts"[0] [0] https://www.webmd.com/parenting/what-to-know-about-negative-reinforcement-in-parenting https://www.webmd.com/parenting/what-to-know-about-negative-...
  - pseudalopex 3y ago
    "Negative punishment is taking something pleasurable away to decrease the behavior. An example of negative punishment is taking away a toy if your child hits their sibling with it."
logifail 3y ago
> Actually, it's the definition of punishment: inflicting or imposing penalties as retribution for an offense. Children are not small adults, but they are surprisingly capable of understanding incentives. "If you behave well you can have ice cream. If you behave badly, you don't get ice cream. It's your choice." It's awful to teach children that behaviour doesn't matter. Actions do have consequences.
- Ensorceled 3y ago
  This is still punishment, even if you believe it's for their own good that "actions do have consequences". You can't just redefine it as "not punishment" because you want to use that method in child rearing.
  - logifail 3y ago
    > This is still punishment, even if you believe it's for their own good that "actions do have consequences" "Actions have consequences" as a statement isn't really up for much debate, it's more of a observation on how the universe works. If we fall far enough, we hurt outselves. Gravity isn't punishing us when we fall, even if it may feel like that at times - the scars on my right arm from a cycling accident last year are still visible.
    - Ensorceled 3y ago
      "Actions have consequences" is explaining why you are punishing your child. I'm not saying you're a bad parent for punishing your child, I'm saying you could be a better parent if you stopped leaning on punishment as a parenting tool. Also, stop telling your child you aren't punishing them because they will ALWAYS remember that bullshit. At least own up to the fact that you are punishing them and tell them why.

throwaway173738 3y ago

It’s called negative punishment, and is pretty ineffective at eliciting the desired behavior. Positive reinforcement is the only way to spotlight the behavior you want by rewarding it. Punishment is more like learning the shape of a room by stubbing your toes on the walls. You’ll eventually get it but only after trying everything else you can think of.

logifail 3y ago
> It’s called negative punishment It isn't: "[..] people confuse negative reinforcement with punishment, but these are two different concepts"[0] [0] https://www.webmd.com/parenting/what-to-know-about-negative-reinforcement-in-parenting https://www.webmd.com/parenting/what-to-know-about-negative-...
- pseudalopex 3y ago
  "Negative punishment is taking something pleasurable away to decrease the behavior. An example of negative punishment is taking away a toy if your child hits their sibling with it."

logifail 3y ago

> Actually, it's the definition of punishment: inflicting or imposing penalties as retribution for an offense. Children are not small adults, but they are surprisingly capable of understanding incentives. "If you behave well you can have ice cream. If you behave badly, you don't get ice cream. It's your choice." It's awful to teach children that behaviour doesn't matter. Actions do have consequences.

Ensorceled 3y ago
This is still punishment, even if you believe it's for their own good that "actions do have consequences". You can't just redefine it as "not punishment" because you want to use that method in child rearing.
- logifail 3y ago
  > This is still punishment, even if you believe it's for their own good that "actions do have consequences" "Actions have consequences" as a statement isn't really up for much debate, it's more of a observation on how the universe works. If we fall far enough, we hurt outselves. Gravity isn't punishing us when we fall, even if it may feel like that at times - the scars on my right arm from a cycling accident last year are still visible.
  - Ensorceled 3y ago
    "Actions have consequences" is explaining why you are punishing your child. I'm not saying you're a bad parent for punishing your child, I'm saying you could be a better parent if you stopped leaning on punishment as a parenting tool. Also, stop telling your child you aren't punishing them because they will ALWAYS remember that bullshit. At least own up to the fact that you are punishing them and tell them why.