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Easy, in todays market, there are plenty of experienced developers who are being laid off so you don’t have to hire juniors. There is no statistic longevity in

Easy, in todays market, there are plenty of experienced developers who are being laid off so you don’t have to hire juniors. There is no statistic longevity in tech. It’s well known that the quickest method to make more money especially when starting out is to change jobs after two or three years. Salary compression and inversion is real. Yes I know it’s a prisoner’s dilemma. If no one is willing to hire juniors, then how do you get a pool of seniors. It’s a local maximization problem

jen20 3y ago
It’s not like sitting in one place makes someone a more “senior” dev in anything but tenure. Juniors who stay at one company tend not to be developers with 10 years of experience at the end, but instead developers with 1 year of experience 10 times.
- scarface74 3y ago
  And that’s good enough for that company. It’s a problem when they get ready to get a new job.
  - jen20 3y ago
    Exactly: all this bullshit about job hopping benefits only low grade employers who want fungible employees. Screw them all: hop away!
cauliflower99 3y ago
Companies generally offload the expensive resources first requiring the cheaper, juniors to step up and take on more responsibilities. This is good of course, but if the junior cannot get support to learn their new responsibilities, they'll just be stressed, we'll get lower quality code and overall the morale goes down.
- scarface74 3y ago
  Junior developers do “negative work” almost by definition. They can’t work independently without guidance. If they can, they are inappropriately leveled and should be at least mid level developers.
brickteacup 3y ago
> If no one is willing to hire juniors, then how do you get a pool of seniors It's self-correcting: the fewer seniors there are, the more they cost. Eventually hiring a junior becomes the more economical option. The market gets exactly as many seniors as it deserves :)

jen20 3y ago

It’s not like sitting in one place makes someone a more “senior” dev in anything but tenure. Juniors who stay at one company tend not to be developers with 10 years of experience at the end, but instead developers with 1 year of experience 10 times.

scarface74 3y ago
And that’s good enough for that company. It’s a problem when they get ready to get a new job.
- jen20 3y ago
  Exactly: all this bullshit about job hopping benefits only low grade employers who want fungible employees. Screw them all: hop away!

cauliflower99 3y ago

Companies generally offload the expensive resources first requiring the cheaper, juniors to step up and take on more responsibilities. This is good of course, but if the junior cannot get support to learn their new responsibilities, they'll just be stressed, we'll get lower quality code and overall the morale goes down.

scarface74 3y ago
Junior developers do “negative work” almost by definition. They can’t work independently without guidance. If they can, they are inappropriately leveled and should be at least mid level developers.

brickteacup 3y ago

> If no one is willing to hire juniors, then how do you get a pool of seniors It's self-correcting: the fewer seniors there are, the more they cost. Eventually hiring a junior becomes the more economical option. The market gets exactly as many seniors as it deserves :)