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Buy a radiometer please rather than softcore spreading Russian propaganda here.

by varjag 3y ago

paganel 3y ago
Not sure what "softcore" has to do with it, but the initial claim had been made by a former Azov member. It's a fair assumption to make that he is no Russia lover. From here [1]: > Igor Mosiychuk, ex-Ukrainian member of parliament, ex-deputy commander of Azov, recorded a 4 minute video talking about the latest strikes in Khmelnitsky & Ternopol, he claims the depleted uranium theory is correct, recommends evacuating children far from the explosion sites [1] https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1657822892342607874 https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1657822892342607874
- varjag 3y ago
  RWA is a Russian propaganda account, that you quote it is telling. Either way a radiometer will give you an objective instrumental answer.
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  - paganel 3y ago
    I know about the RWA, go by the screenshot, there's where the Azov guy is. They (the RWA guys) didn't photoshopped it. I don't have Telegram or whatever social media channel that Azov guy might have used to communicate his stuff. > Either way a radiometer will give you an objective instrumental answer. The moment the recorded radiations are too high is already too late, especially if you have kids, that's why we need to know about this type of things before the instrumental devices might show us that the radiation levels have crept up. So in that regard "get a geiger!" is of no practical use when it comes to protecting your closed ones.
    - shanebellone 3y ago
      "The moment the recorded radiations are too high is already too late, especially if you have kids, that's why we need to know about this type of things before the instrumental devices might show us that the radiation levels have crept up." This is incorrect. Radiation can be managed even after a nuclear strike and largely depends on proximity and subsequent weather patterns. The half-life is short enough that sheltering indoors (preferably in a basement with taped windows) suffices for most scenarios.
    - varjag 3y ago
      In 1986 I lived in east of Belarus, downwind from Chernobyl. A radiometer is absolutely of practical use. You don't have to protect anyone if the radiation is background level. If you feel that radiometer here would be an unjustified expense perhaps that indicates you aren't really taking this threat seriously yourself.
      - paganel 3y ago
        Again, what do you do if you see high radiation levels? You just pack up and leave on the spot? Where to? How do you know that the place you're moving to isn't also affected by the same levels of radiations? Communication by the powers that be is the key element here, this shouldn't be put on us, civilians. Yes, I was also a kid back in April 1986 living in a country bordering present-day Ukraine (in Romania), and as destiny had it a close childhood friend of mine died of leukemia in the spring of 1990 and I know directly of at least another kid that died of the same cause in the late '80s.
        kavalg 3y ago
        If we are talking about DU dust cloud, maybe you could avoid going out for a while and doing intense physical activities. Also, avoiding freshly picked vegetables and resorting to packaged food for a while may help reduce exposure. AFAIK, most harm goes by inhaling the dust or eating it with contaminated food.
- fauxpause_ 3y ago
  This man was expelled from Azov about a decade ago for being anti semetic and went to jail for a domestic terror plot. Do you think he is a credible source?
shanebellone 3y ago
You are right. This is obvious propaganda with no value to HN. The two following sentences speak volumes about intention. For sentence 1 to be true, sentence 2 should not exist. If one was seeking truth, they would not yet be concerned with minimizing risks. "Please, don't turn this into a political discussion, taking sides of Russia, Ukraine, UK etc. I am only interested in how to check the facts and what can be done to minimize health risks."
diimdeep 3y ago
Mutually. Either stop being allergic to other nations point of views OR start from yourself by not posting strong political statements[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454126 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454126
- varjag 3y ago
  What's your problem with my assessment of authoritarianism in Belarus? I am Belarusian who was around when Lukashenka ascended to power. Certainly more entitled to my opinion on events in the former USSR than you are. Either way as a week has passed it's fair to say I was right and you were wrong.

Buy a radiometer please rather than softcore spreading Russian propaganda here.

by varjag 3y ago

Buy a radiometer please rather than softcore spreading Russian propaganda here.

Not sure what "softcore" has to do with it, but the initial claim had been made by a former Azov member. It's a fair assumption to make that he is no Russia lover. From here [1]: > Igor Mosiychuk, ex-Ukrainian member of parliament, ex-deputy commander of Azov, recorded a 4 minute video talking about the latest strikes in Khmelnitsky & Ternopol, he claims the depleted uranium theory is correct, recommends evacuating children far from the explosion sites [1] https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1657822892342607874 https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1657822892342607874

varjag 3y ago
RWA is a Russian propaganda account, that you quote it is telling. Either way a radiometer will give you an objective instrumental answer.
- deleted 3y ago
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- paganel 3y ago
  I know about the RWA, go by the screenshot, there's where the Azov guy is. They (the RWA guys) didn't photoshopped it. I don't have Telegram or whatever social media channel that Azov guy might have used to communicate his stuff. > Either way a radiometer will give you an objective instrumental answer. The moment the recorded radiations are too high is already too late, especially if you have kids, that's why we need to know about this type of things before the instrumental devices might show us that the radiation levels have crept up. So in that regard "get a geiger!" is of no practical use when it comes to protecting your closed ones.
  - shanebellone 3y ago
    "The moment the recorded radiations are too high is already too late, especially if you have kids, that's why we need to know about this type of things before the instrumental devices might show us that the radiation levels have crept up." This is incorrect. Radiation can be managed even after a nuclear strike and largely depends on proximity and subsequent weather patterns. The half-life is short enough that sheltering indoors (preferably in a basement with taped windows) suffices for most scenarios.
  - varjag 3y ago
    In 1986 I lived in east of Belarus, downwind from Chernobyl. A radiometer is absolutely of practical use. You don't have to protect anyone if the radiation is background level. If you feel that radiometer here would be an unjustified expense perhaps that indicates you aren't really taking this threat seriously yourself.
    - paganel 3y ago
      Again, what do you do if you see high radiation levels? You just pack up and leave on the spot? Where to? How do you know that the place you're moving to isn't also affected by the same levels of radiations? Communication by the powers that be is the key element here, this shouldn't be put on us, civilians. Yes, I was also a kid back in April 1986 living in a country bordering present-day Ukraine (in Romania), and as destiny had it a close childhood friend of mine died of leukemia in the spring of 1990 and I know directly of at least another kid that died of the same cause in the late '80s.
      - kavalg 3y ago
        If we are talking about DU dust cloud, maybe you could avoid going out for a while and doing intense physical activities. Also, avoiding freshly picked vegetables and resorting to packaged food for a while may help reduce exposure. AFAIK, most harm goes by inhaling the dust or eating it with contaminated food.
fauxpause_ 3y ago
This man was expelled from Azov about a decade ago for being anti semetic and went to jail for a domestic terror plot. Do you think he is a credible source?

shanebellone 3y ago

You are right. This is obvious propaganda with no value to HN. The two following sentences speak volumes about intention. For sentence 1 to be true, sentence 2 should not exist. If one was seeking truth, they would not yet be concerned with minimizing risks. "Please, don't turn this into a political discussion, taking sides of Russia, Ukraine, UK etc. I am only interested in how to check the facts and what can be done to minimize health risks."

diimdeep 3y ago

Mutually. Either stop being allergic to other nations point of views OR start from yourself by not posting strong political statements[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454126 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454126

varjag 3y ago
What's your problem with my assessment of authoritarianism in Belarus? I am Belarusian who was around when Lukashenka ascended to power. Certainly more entitled to my opinion on events in the former USSR than you are. Either way as a week has passed it's fair to say I was right and you were wrong.