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No. Minorities do not deserve carte blanche control of the output of mass communication. That's the most basic enabler of authoritarian dictatorship. Under demo

No. Minorities do not deserve carte blanche control of the output of mass communication. That's the most basic enabler of authoritarian dictatorship. Under democratic capitalism, power must cater to the majority, or lose it/go broke. It's not a perfect system, and remains susceptible to corruption from extremism, but it's historically superior to anything else that's been tried. Presumably this is a reality you've since enjoyed. Key - for minorities as much as anyone else - is ensuring principles of free speech are upheld. The "woke" crowd have generally promoted censorship ("cancelling"), and therefore are incompatible with protecting their own rights. As we're seeing here, with exactly this.

soco 3y ago
Sorry for nitpicking, but you said "The 'woke' crowd have generally promoted censorship ('cancelling')" - but from what I can tell it's not the woke crowd banning books from schools and libraries, banning certain words from education, banning health measures, and I could go on. You talk about wokes promoting things, yet ignore the others actually _implementing_ bans as we speak? Is this gaslighting or what...
- detrites 3y ago
  To use an analogy: there's a world of difference between scams, spam, opt-in marketing, and an actual, legitimate, invited, email message. Those not wishing to face the difficult and nuanced reality of these debates equate these in appeals to emotions rather than citing specificity. Not interested in any discussion that employs that technique. What books? Why? What "health" measures? Why? What were the arguments for and against? Side-stepping these questions is side-stepping the process correct outcomes depend on. Why would someone want to do that?
- PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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  - astine 3y ago
    > A 6th grader should NOT, under any circumstances, be taught how to give a blow job by a 400lb man in a dress. Can you show one instance of this actually happening? I'm not aware of any and what does get banned seems to be a pretty far cry from that sort of thing. Honestly, this registers as more of a pretext than a legitimate concern.
    - PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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      - Broken_Hippo 3y ago
        You have to choose something that isn't imaginary for it to count, I think.
        detrites 3y ago
        Here's one of the banned books (NSFW warning): https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-queer-book-with-sexually-graphic-pictures/genderqueer-1-1/ https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-qu...
        astine 3y ago
        Do you have any examples of this book actually being read to children? Otherwise it's still speculation that kids are being taught "how to give blowjobs". I have no doubt that sexually explicit books on lgbt issues exist, but the claim is that they are being targeted at children.
        detrites 3y ago
        Do you honestly think a book with a blowjob in it would have been banned if it weren't? Regardless, exactly which "books" presenters with names such as "Eric Big Clit", "Flowjob" and "rainbow dildo butt monkey" choose to present to children - as young as four - strikes me as somewhat beside the point: https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/10/parents-are-right-to-be-angry-about-drag-queen-story-hour/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/10/parents-are-right-t...

soco 3y ago

Sorry for nitpicking, but you said "The 'woke' crowd have generally promoted censorship ('cancelling')" - but from what I can tell it's not the woke crowd banning books from schools and libraries, banning certain words from education, banning health measures, and I could go on. You talk about wokes promoting things, yet ignore the others actually _implementing_ bans as we speak? Is this gaslighting or what...

detrites 3y ago
To use an analogy: there's a world of difference between scams, spam, opt-in marketing, and an actual, legitimate, invited, email message. Those not wishing to face the difficult and nuanced reality of these debates equate these in appeals to emotions rather than citing specificity. Not interested in any discussion that employs that technique. What books? Why? What "health" measures? Why? What were the arguments for and against? Side-stepping these questions is side-stepping the process correct outcomes depend on. Why would someone want to do that?
PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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- astine 3y ago
  > A 6th grader should NOT, under any circumstances, be taught how to give a blow job by a 400lb man in a dress. Can you show one instance of this actually happening? I'm not aware of any and what does get banned seems to be a pretty far cry from that sort of thing. Honestly, this registers as more of a pretext than a legitimate concern.
  - PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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    - Broken_Hippo 3y ago
      You have to choose something that isn't imaginary for it to count, I think.
      - detrites 3y ago
        Here's one of the banned books (NSFW warning): https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-queer-book-with-sexually-graphic-pictures/genderqueer-1-1/ https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-qu...
        astine 3y ago
        Do you have any examples of this book actually being read to children? Otherwise it's still speculation that kids are being taught "how to give blowjobs". I have no doubt that sexually explicit books on lgbt issues exist, but the claim is that they are being targeted at children.
        detrites 3y ago
        Do you honestly think a book with a blowjob in it would have been banned if it weren't? Regardless, exactly which "books" presenters with names such as "Eric Big Clit", "Flowjob" and "rainbow dildo butt monkey" choose to present to children - as young as four - strikes me as somewhat beside the point: https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/10/parents-are-right-to-be-angry-about-drag-queen-story-hour/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/05/10/parents-are-right-t...