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It amazes me that any major organisation believes pitching themselves at a minority group of deniers of the commonly-held views of everyone else - that most peo

It amazes me that any major organisation believes pitching themselves at a minority group of deniers of the commonly-held views of everyone else - that most people therefore find abrasive and alienating - makes good business sense.

soco 3y ago
So you think the minorities don't deserve news outlets and opinion platforms? I've been through that already and it was behind the iron curtain, welcome back to the old world - I definitely didn't expect it to be called "good".
- detrites 3y ago
  No. Minorities do not deserve carte blanche control of the output of mass communication. That's the most basic enabler of authoritarian dictatorship. Under democratic capitalism, power must cater to the majority, or lose it/go broke. It's not a perfect system, and remains susceptible to corruption from extremism, but it's historically superior to anything else that's been tried. Presumably this is a reality you've since enjoyed. Key - for minorities as much as anyone else - is ensuring principles of free speech are upheld. The "woke" crowd have generally promoted censorship ("cancelling"), and therefore are incompatible with protecting their own rights. As we're seeing here, with exactly this.
  - soco 3y ago
    Sorry for nitpicking, but you said "The 'woke' crowd have generally promoted censorship ('cancelling')" - but from what I can tell it's not the woke crowd banning books from schools and libraries, banning certain words from education, banning health measures, and I could go on. You talk about wokes promoting things, yet ignore the others actually _implementing_ bans as we speak? Is this gaslighting or what...
    - detrites 3y ago
      To use an analogy: there's a world of difference between scams, spam, opt-in marketing, and an actual, legitimate, invited, email message. Those not wishing to face the difficult and nuanced reality of these debates equate these in appeals to emotions rather than citing specificity. Not interested in any discussion that employs that technique. What books? Why? What "health" measures? Why? What were the arguments for and against? Side-stepping these questions is side-stepping the process correct outcomes depend on. Why would someone want to do that?
    - PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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      - astine 3y ago
        > A 6th grader should NOT, under any circumstances, be taught how to give a blow job by a 400lb man in a dress. Can you show one instance of this actually happening? I'm not aware of any and what does get banned seems to be a pretty far cry from that sort of thing. Honestly, this registers as more of a pretext than a legitimate concern.
        PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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        Broken_Hippo 3y ago
        You have to choose something that isn't imaginary for it to count, I think.
        detrites 3y ago
        Here's one of the banned books (NSFW warning): https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-queer-book-with-sexually-graphic-pictures/genderqueer-1-1/ https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-qu...

soco 3y ago

So you think the minorities don't deserve news outlets and opinion platforms? I've been through that already and it was behind the iron curtain, welcome back to the old world - I definitely didn't expect it to be called "good".

detrites 3y ago
No. Minorities do not deserve carte blanche control of the output of mass communication. That's the most basic enabler of authoritarian dictatorship. Under democratic capitalism, power must cater to the majority, or lose it/go broke. It's not a perfect system, and remains susceptible to corruption from extremism, but it's historically superior to anything else that's been tried. Presumably this is a reality you've since enjoyed. Key - for minorities as much as anyone else - is ensuring principles of free speech are upheld. The "woke" crowd have generally promoted censorship ("cancelling"), and therefore are incompatible with protecting their own rights. As we're seeing here, with exactly this.
- soco 3y ago
  Sorry for nitpicking, but you said "The 'woke' crowd have generally promoted censorship ('cancelling')" - but from what I can tell it's not the woke crowd banning books from schools and libraries, banning certain words from education, banning health measures, and I could go on. You talk about wokes promoting things, yet ignore the others actually _implementing_ bans as we speak? Is this gaslighting or what...
  - detrites 3y ago
    To use an analogy: there's a world of difference between scams, spam, opt-in marketing, and an actual, legitimate, invited, email message. Those not wishing to face the difficult and nuanced reality of these debates equate these in appeals to emotions rather than citing specificity. Not interested in any discussion that employs that technique. What books? Why? What "health" measures? Why? What were the arguments for and against? Side-stepping these questions is side-stepping the process correct outcomes depend on. Why would someone want to do that?
  - PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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    - astine 3y ago
      > A 6th grader should NOT, under any circumstances, be taught how to give a blow job by a 400lb man in a dress. Can you show one instance of this actually happening? I'm not aware of any and what does get banned seems to be a pretty far cry from that sort of thing. Honestly, this registers as more of a pretext than a legitimate concern.
      - PM_me_your_math 3y ago
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        Broken_Hippo 3y ago
        You have to choose something that isn't imaginary for it to count, I think.
        detrites 3y ago
        Here's one of the banned books (NSFW warning): https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-queer-book-with-sexually-graphic-pictures/genderqueer-1-1/ https://alphanews.org/hastings-kids-have-access-to-gender-qu...