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Something that is bad and harmful which becomes widespread and popular does not cease to be bad and harmful. Appeal to tradition is one of the weakest argument

Something that is bad and harmful which becomes widespread and popular does not cease to be bad and harmful. Appeal to tradition is one of the weakest arguments anyone can make.

hnlmorg 3y ago
I made more points than just an appeal to tradition. Let me reiterate: You already get compensated by having both a higher paid job and living in a bigger property in a cheaper yet desirable neighbourhood. And more to the point, your employer didn’t choose where you live, you chose that yourself. If you were commuting to different site(s) than the one listed as your “base” location then it would be a different story. But most businesses already compensate you for that. They just don’t pay for you travelling between home and your base location because that was the expectation you agreed to when you took the job.
- flerchin 3y ago
  It's been 3 years since covid and WFH. Most engineers have changed jobs since then. Many twice. The agreement was WFH.
  - hnlmorg 3y ago
    Was the agreement WFH though? Was it actually written into their contract? Or was this just something they informally agreed to while it was difficult to hire staff? I’m not saying changing policy against your employees wishes is a good thing but if your acceptance of a job is predicated on the condition of being fully remote then you’d want to be damn sure that is written into your contract. And if it is, then your employer cannot change those terms without issuing you a new contract. Also I know plenty of people who haven’t changed jobs in the last 3 years.
    - flerchin 3y ago
      As you know, contracts are not a thing for the overwhelming majority of workers in the US, and particularly software developers.
      - hnlmorg 3y ago
        I wasn’t aware of that. Here in Europe, we have very strict employment laws. I knew your employment laws were lax but all the conversations I’ve read on here have suggested that US employees still had contracts.

Something that is bad and harmful which becomes widespread and popular does not cease to be bad and harmful. Appeal to tradition is one of the weakest arguments anyone can make.

hnlmorg 3y ago

I made more points than just an appeal to tradition. Let me reiterate: You already get compensated by having both a higher paid job and living in a bigger property in a cheaper yet desirable neighbourhood. And more to the point, your employer didn’t choose where you live, you chose that yourself. If you were commuting to different site(s) than the one listed as your “base” location then it would be a different story. But most businesses already compensate you for that. They just don’t pay for you travelling between home and your base location because that was the expectation you agreed to when you took the job.

flerchin 3y ago
It's been 3 years since covid and WFH. Most engineers have changed jobs since then. Many twice. The agreement was WFH.
- hnlmorg 3y ago
  Was the agreement WFH though? Was it actually written into their contract? Or was this just something they informally agreed to while it was difficult to hire staff? I’m not saying changing policy against your employees wishes is a good thing but if your acceptance of a job is predicated on the condition of being fully remote then you’d want to be damn sure that is written into your contract. And if it is, then your employer cannot change those terms without issuing you a new contract. Also I know plenty of people who haven’t changed jobs in the last 3 years.
  - flerchin 3y ago
    As you know, contracts are not a thing for the overwhelming majority of workers in the US, and particularly software developers.
    - hnlmorg 3y ago
      I wasn’t aware of that. Here in Europe, we have very strict employment laws. I knew your employment laws were lax but all the conversations I’ve read on here have suggested that US employees still had contracts.