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Hey cool so some questions for you to consider: - Does our society have systemic biases in law enforcement and the judicial system? - Is it really sad that we

Hey cool so some questions for you to consider: - Does our society have systemic biases in law enforcement and the judicial system? - Is it really sad that we are unable to, as a society, entertain conversations about genetically modifying our own gene pool to prevent criminal offenses? - Why are nearly half of your comments about racial politics in America? Perhaps you have a bias yourself to examine. - Why are links to twitter considered valid sources. Common. How can you expect people to take you seriously - Are you racist? I'm only asking because you seem racist

neurobama 3y ago
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- tomlockwood 3y ago
  > Do you think the carriers of MAOA-2R want to experience uncontrolled violent aggression? Do you think we should at least offer them a choice? Do you think parents who can afford it will waver when given the choice to offer impulsiveness- and intelligence-enhancing gene therapies to their children? Do you think it fair for those options to be available only to the wealthy? Do you think people with a high propensity for violence (men) should be given gene therapies by their parents to reduce the production of the aggression-causing hormone testosterone?
  - neurobama 3y ago
    As you surely know given your profile, testosterone is a hormone with many critical functions unrelated to aggression. Lack of sufficient testosterone causes osteoperosis, cognitive problems, fatigue, anemia, memory problems, hot flashes, and many other symptoms in men. It's essential for men's overall health and cannot be clearly disentangled from this role. We do regulate the use of injected testosterone due to risks such as "roid rage" and enlarged heart among others. In the US testosterone is considered a Schedule III federally-controlled substance, i.e. a drug with medical uses that also has potential for abuse: https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/ https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/ If a genetic mutation were known to code for impulsive violence, reduced IQ and little else, the story would be different. We wouldn't keep it around. MAOA-2R is such a gene. I know of no benefits to carrying this mutation versus its 3R or 4R variants. It causes a milder form of a disease called Brunner Syndrome, which confers a reduced IQ as well as increased violent aggression and reduced impulse control: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunner_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunner_syndrome MAOA-2R lies in the same category as cancer-causing variants of BRCA1 or the allele for sickle-cell anemia in Western populations. We should treat it as such. There may also be non-genetic treatments for MAOA deficiency in the future. These should be explored and offered to those who might benefit. In the meantime we must accept reality. This gene, its effects, and its relative prevalence among racial groups (or "ancestral genetic populations" if you prefer) must factor into relevant public policy. Given your comments thus far, I suspect that instead of engaging on the topic at hand you'll try to draw me further into some debate on whether men, seeing as they're so violent, should even be allowed to exist. Suffice it for me to say that the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis makes sense for humanity, and before "gender theory" reared its head we did a fine job keeping men in social spaces and structures where their more-aggressive tendencies were managed and expected.
    - tomlockwood 3y ago
      > MAOA-2R lies in the same category as cancer-causing variants of BRCA1 or the allele for sickle-cell anemia in Western populations. We should treat it as such. Oh do you mean the gene that is as prevalent amongst the famously uncriminal Japanese as it is amongst African Americans? > Lack of sufficient testosterone causes osteoperosis, cognitive problems, fatigue, anemia, memory problems, hot flashes, and many other symptoms in men. It's essential for men's overall health and cannot be clearly disentangled from this role. I don't know, maybe those criminal men would be better with osteoperosis, cognitive problems, fatigue, anemia, memory problems and hot flashes than without, don't you think? I personally don't think so.
      - neurobama 3y ago
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        tomlockwood 3y ago
        Ok if you want to check out, bye.
        dang 3y ago
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        dang 3y ago
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neurobama 3y ago

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tomlockwood 3y ago
> Do you think the carriers of MAOA-2R want to experience uncontrolled violent aggression? Do you think we should at least offer them a choice? Do you think parents who can afford it will waver when given the choice to offer impulsiveness- and intelligence-enhancing gene therapies to their children? Do you think it fair for those options to be available only to the wealthy? Do you think people with a high propensity for violence (men) should be given gene therapies by their parents to reduce the production of the aggression-causing hormone testosterone?
- neurobama 3y ago
  As you surely know given your profile, testosterone is a hormone with many critical functions unrelated to aggression. Lack of sufficient testosterone causes osteoperosis, cognitive problems, fatigue, anemia, memory problems, hot flashes, and many other symptoms in men. It's essential for men's overall health and cannot be clearly disentangled from this role. We do regulate the use of injected testosterone due to risks such as "roid rage" and enlarged heart among others. In the US testosterone is considered a Schedule III federally-controlled substance, i.e. a drug with medical uses that also has potential for abuse: https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/ https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/ If a genetic mutation were known to code for impulsive violence, reduced IQ and little else, the story would be different. We wouldn't keep it around. MAOA-2R is such a gene. I know of no benefits to carrying this mutation versus its 3R or 4R variants. It causes a milder form of a disease called Brunner Syndrome, which confers a reduced IQ as well as increased violent aggression and reduced impulse control: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunner_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunner_syndrome MAOA-2R lies in the same category as cancer-causing variants of BRCA1 or the allele for sickle-cell anemia in Western populations. We should treat it as such. There may also be non-genetic treatments for MAOA deficiency in the future. These should be explored and offered to those who might benefit. In the meantime we must accept reality. This gene, its effects, and its relative prevalence among racial groups (or "ancestral genetic populations" if you prefer) must factor into relevant public policy. Given your comments thus far, I suspect that instead of engaging on the topic at hand you'll try to draw me further into some debate on whether men, seeing as they're so violent, should even be allowed to exist. Suffice it for me to say that the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis makes sense for humanity, and before "gender theory" reared its head we did a fine job keeping men in social spaces and structures where their more-aggressive tendencies were managed and expected.
  - tomlockwood 3y ago
    > MAOA-2R lies in the same category as cancer-causing variants of BRCA1 or the allele for sickle-cell anemia in Western populations. We should treat it as such. Oh do you mean the gene that is as prevalent amongst the famously uncriminal Japanese as it is amongst African Americans? > Lack of sufficient testosterone causes osteoperosis, cognitive problems, fatigue, anemia, memory problems, hot flashes, and many other symptoms in men. It's essential for men's overall health and cannot be clearly disentangled from this role. I don't know, maybe those criminal men would be better with osteoperosis, cognitive problems, fatigue, anemia, memory problems and hot flashes than without, don't you think? I personally don't think so.
    - neurobama 3y ago
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      - tomlockwood 3y ago
        Ok if you want to check out, bye.
        dang 3y ago
        Could you please stop feeding flamewars and/or using HN for ideological battle? Regardless of what you're battling for or against, it's not what this site is for and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
      - dang 3y ago
        We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. Regardless of what you're battling for or against, that's not allowed here. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html