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I wasn't talking about tearing families apart. I was talking about the fact of biology that white females can only come into being if there are white men to fat

I wasn't talking about tearing families apart. I was talking about the fact of biology that white females can only come into being if there are white men to father them. In any case, I simplified my comment into just one point.

tomlockwood 3y ago
Actually white females can come into being if the definition of white is expanded. Initial conceptions of whiteness didn't include Scottish and Irish people, and recently Richard Spencer said he thinks 80% of Italians are white. This would have been an unthinkable statement even in the 1970s. White is a fluid category with no real objective basis. I recently saw a very amusing argument between an American, English and Polish troupe. The American said that Poland was a great example of a pure white ethnostate. The Englishman said the American was an idiot - Polish people were Slavic. The Polish nationalist said they were both idiots - Polish people are Polish, not Slavic nor White. I challenge anyone to come up with an objective definition of whiteness.
- calderknight 3y ago
  Did you get bored of the discussion we were having? By come into being I meant conceived. Like, egg meets sperm. But this is really a very big tangent.
  - tomlockwood 3y ago
    > white females can only come into being if there are white men to father them. Incorrect. Read what I said again.
    - calderknight 3y ago
      I am very interested in a serious conversation about the initial topic. If you want to talk about that, I would be happy. But in the meantime I will play along with this tangent, since I guess it could be fun, too. Embracing a new definition of the White race does not cause more white females to be brought into being (at least, not in any easily predictable way). It simply causes females that had already been brought into being to be reclassified from non-White to White. And their fathers would have to be White, too. At no point in time are there White females who do not have White fathers.
      - tomlockwood 3y ago
        Interesting. When did the first white father exist? Could you provide historical and scientific evidence of that person's existence and proof of their whiteness?
        calderknight 3y ago
        I think some Homo sapiens sapiens in Europe mated with some Homo sapiens neanderthalensis and that's where the white skin came from. Maybe. But this was a very long time ago and there's no historical record or way of using DNA evidence to narrow anything down to a specific date or a specific person. Even if we did know the person whether we met the conditions for being white would depend on what kind of definition of the White race we were using. For example, whether we were using a definition that focused on the current point in time, or one that was interested in the White race as it exists and evolves throughout the past and future.
        tomlockwood 3y ago
        Oh interesting, so you're saying the definition changes through time and those changes can change the amount of white people in the world. That also seems to suggest there's no objective definition of white, which also seems to suggest that any claim that all white people need to have a white father would be utter garbage.
        calderknight 3y ago
        > so you're saying the definition changes through time No, I was saying you could have a static definition that accepted the obvious fact that the White race would evolve over thousands of generations. I will also say now that there are many definitions of the White race and that to whatever extent there is one "the definition" of the White race, it changes over time, too. And you have at the end made a logical error. Just because there are a range of possible definitions of the White race does not mean that all possible definitions of the White race are acceptable. Just because there are components of and aspects of the definition of the White race that my change, does not mean that there are not components and aspects which may not change. And, while there may be edge cases, in general, one needs to have White parents to be White. That's because one's race is determined by one's ancestry.

tomlockwood 3y ago

Actually white females can come into being if the definition of white is expanded. Initial conceptions of whiteness didn't include Scottish and Irish people, and recently Richard Spencer said he thinks 80% of Italians are white. This would have been an unthinkable statement even in the 1970s. White is a fluid category with no real objective basis. I recently saw a very amusing argument between an American, English and Polish troupe. The American said that Poland was a great example of a pure white ethnostate. The Englishman said the American was an idiot - Polish people were Slavic. The Polish nationalist said they were both idiots - Polish people are Polish, not Slavic nor White. I challenge anyone to come up with an objective definition of whiteness.

calderknight 3y ago
Did you get bored of the discussion we were having? By come into being I meant conceived. Like, egg meets sperm. But this is really a very big tangent.
- tomlockwood 3y ago
  > white females can only come into being if there are white men to father them. Incorrect. Read what I said again.
  - calderknight 3y ago
    I am very interested in a serious conversation about the initial topic. If you want to talk about that, I would be happy. But in the meantime I will play along with this tangent, since I guess it could be fun, too. Embracing a new definition of the White race does not cause more white females to be brought into being (at least, not in any easily predictable way). It simply causes females that had already been brought into being to be reclassified from non-White to White. And their fathers would have to be White, too. At no point in time are there White females who do not have White fathers.
    - tomlockwood 3y ago
      Interesting. When did the first white father exist? Could you provide historical and scientific evidence of that person's existence and proof of their whiteness?
      - calderknight 3y ago
        I think some Homo sapiens sapiens in Europe mated with some Homo sapiens neanderthalensis and that's where the white skin came from. Maybe. But this was a very long time ago and there's no historical record or way of using DNA evidence to narrow anything down to a specific date or a specific person. Even if we did know the person whether we met the conditions for being white would depend on what kind of definition of the White race we were using. For example, whether we were using a definition that focused on the current point in time, or one that was interested in the White race as it exists and evolves throughout the past and future.
        tomlockwood 3y ago
        Oh interesting, so you're saying the definition changes through time and those changes can change the amount of white people in the world. That also seems to suggest there's no objective definition of white, which also seems to suggest that any claim that all white people need to have a white father would be utter garbage.
        calderknight 3y ago
        > so you're saying the definition changes through time No, I was saying you could have a static definition that accepted the obvious fact that the White race would evolve over thousands of generations. I will also say now that there are many definitions of the White race and that to whatever extent there is one "the definition" of the White race, it changes over time, too. And you have at the end made a logical error. Just because there are a range of possible definitions of the White race does not mean that all possible definitions of the White race are acceptable. Just because there are components of and aspects of the definition of the White race that my change, does not mean that there are not components and aspects which may not change. And, while there may be edge cases, in general, one needs to have White parents to be White. That's because one's race is determined by one's ancestry.