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I might have been a bit uncharitable in my interpretation of your comment. I think your view is this: Racists support immigration from white men and women, but
by calderknight 3y ago
I might have been a bit uncharitable in my interpretation of your comment. I think your view is this:
Racists support immigration from white men and women, but if racists really care so much about demographics they should only support immigration from white women, since they're much less violent than men.
OK, this is a reasonable enough point and deserves a reasonable response, but I think the response is quite simple:
As long as both white men and white women are contributing positively to society, and improving the future demographics of the country, why wouldn't racists welcome both? If they limited immigration to only the less-violent female whites, they'd be missing out on the net-positive contribution of white males, and thereby shooting themselves in the foot, and for what? A demographic shift in the short-term that will lead to reduced violence. But also the troubles that come along with gender-imbalance. And in the long-term, the population will go back to being roughly 50:50 male-female anyway.
- tomlockwood 3y ago> 2. You can't have white women without white men. As objectionable as some might find it, tearing apart families through immigration policy is already possible. If the idea is that immigration is bad because it brings more crime, the conclusion is clear, if we evaluate things objectively.
- calderknight 3y agoI wasn't talking about tearing families apart. I was talking about the fact of biology that white females can only come into being if there are white men to father them. In any case, I simplified my comment into just one point.
- tomlockwood 3y agoActually white females can come into being if the definition of white is expanded. Initial conceptions of whiteness didn't include Scottish and Irish people, and recently Richard Spencer said he thinks 80% of Italians are white. This would have been an unthinkable statement even in the 1970s. White is a fluid category with no real objective basis. I recently saw a very amusing argument between an American, English and Polish troupe. The American said that Poland was a great example of a pure white ethnostate. The Englishman said the American was an idiot - Polish people were Slavic. The Polish nationalist said they were both idiots - Polish people are Polish, not Slavic nor White. I challenge anyone to come up with an objective definition of whiteness.
- calderknight 3y agoDid you get bored of the discussion we were having? By come into being I meant conceived. Like, egg meets sperm. But this is really a very big tangent.
- tomlockwood 3y ago> white females can only come into being if there are white men to father them. Incorrect. Read what I said again.
- calderknight 3y agoI am very interested in a serious conversation about the initial topic. If you want to talk about that, I would be happy. But in the meantime I will play along with this tangent, since I guess it could be fun, too. Embracing a new definition of the White race does not cause more white females to be brought into being (at least, not in any easily predictable way). It simply causes females that had already been brought into being to be reclassified from non-White to White. And their fathers would have to be White, too. At no point in time are there White females who do not have White fathers.
- tomlockwood 3y agoInteresting. When did the first white father exist? Could you provide historical and scientific evidence of that person's existence and proof of their whiteness?
- calderknight 3y agoI think some Homo sapiens sapiens in Europe mated with some Homo sapiens neanderthalensis and that's where the white skin came from. Maybe. But this was a very long time ago and there's no historical record or way of using DNA evidence to narrow anything down to a specific date or a specific person. Even if we did know the person whether we met the conditions for being white would depend on what kind of definition of the White race we were using. For example, whether we were using a definition that focused on the current point in time, or one that was interested in the White race as it exists and evolves throughout the past and future.