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Most important thing: This was a study of the Swedish population! For the US population: Convictions include innocent people who follow advice to plea guilty
by anonymouskimmer 3y ago
Most important thing: This was a study of the Swedish population!
For the US population:
Convictions include innocent people who follow advice to plea guilty [1], or who are wrongfully convicted [2], and don't include guilty people who got off, or who were never found [3].
[1] - https://www.npr.org/2023/02/22/1158356619/plea-bargains-criminal-cases-justice https://www.npr.org/2023/02/22/1158356619/plea-bargains-crim...
[2] - https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/7/14834454/exoneration-innocence-prison-racism https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/7/14834454/ex...
> “African Americans are only 13% of the American population but a majority of innocent defendants wrongfully convicted of crimes and later exonerated,” the researchers write. “They constitute 47% of the 1,900 exonerations listed in the National Registry of Exonerations (as of October 2016), and the great majority of more than 1,800 additional innocent defendants who were framed and convicted of crimes in 15 large-scale police scandals and later cleared in ‘group exonerations.’”
[3] - https://www.insider.com/police-dont-solve-most-violent-property-crimes-data-2020-6 https://www.insider.com/police-dont-solve-most-violent-prope...
> Federal government data from 2018 show that just 46% of all violent crimes reported to police were "cleared" with an arrest, and 18% of property crimes were cleared. Beyond that, only an estimated 43% of people who were the victims of violent crimes reported the incidents to police.
I expect this article to get flagged pretty soon.
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- kasperni 3y ago> Most important thing: This was a study of the Swedish population! In 95 % of cases where something like this is posted on HN, it is based on the US population. And no one bats an eye.
- krysp 3y agoWhy would it be flagged? Sweden is a prominent European country, equally valid an example as the USA for such a study.
- anonymouskimmer 3y agoTwo reasons. 1) Foremost how most of the commenters are reacting to it seems to demonstrate that many of them didn't bother reading that it's about Sweden, and are acting as if it's about the US. The discussions really aren't about the article, or prompted by the article, but about assumptions and preexisting ideas. The submitter should have indicated in the submission title that this was about Sweden. 2) https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. There's nothing particularly "interesting new phenomenon" about the majority of crimes being by a minority of people, even in Sweden. The specifics are important for social policy, but don't really cross this threshold.
- raxxorraxor 3y agoSeems like you were correct. Article is flagged. I believe it shouldn't be flagged, it should be ignored by those not interested in it. The study itself probably proposes some interesting observations, although... > These findings support the provision of far-reaching intervention ...doesn't sound too convincing without context and specifics.