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> Has succeeded in what? As TFA puts it, building a "bonafide open source" project. How is it half dead? Just because it doesn't have the latest shiny feature

by unmole 3y ago

> Has succeeded in what? As TFA puts it, building a "bonafide open source" project. How is it half dead? Just because it doesn't have the latest shiny features that Elastic has? Was Elastic useless before? OpenSearch is Apache 2.0 licensed. Why shouldn't it be called "open"?

BoorishBears 3y ago
Elastic was useless without X-Pack after a few versions And calling it open is fine, Amazon got dinged for calling their ES service Elasticsearch because it was confusing. Calling it Opensearch while touting Elasticsearch support is just as confusing, people fail to realize it's not Open Source Elasticsearch, it's fallen so far behind it doesn't touch on half the functionality ES offwrs
- unmole 3y ago
  > Elastic was useless without X-Pack after a few versions But somehow users still manage to derive value from OpenSearch. > Calling it Opensearch while touting Elasticsearch support is just as confusing Right. Because it's not like Amazon explicitly state that they won't support Elastic Search versions beyond 7.10. Oh, wait: https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/opensearch/ https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/opensearch/
  - BoorishBears 3y ago
    > But somehow users still manage to derive value from OpenSearch. Because OpenSearch is built on the X-Pack components before they got moved to X-Pack. > Right. Because it's not like Amazon explicitly state that they won't support Elastic Search versions beyond 7.10. Oh, wait: https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/opensearch/ https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/opensearch/ You missed that your own linked post was speaking about hosting ES, not ES compatibility. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/keeping-clients-of-opensearch-and-elasticsearch-compatible-with-open-source/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/keeping-clients-of-o... > OpenSearch aims to provide wire compatibility with open source distributions of Elasticsearch 7.10.2, the software from which it was derived. You also missed that it's about the literal name OpenSearch vs Elasticsearch. Amazon benefits from people believing that OpenSearch is equivalent to Elasticsearch but open source, when really its this trailing orphaned fork that represents a significantly worse product: It'd be like if MariaDB had been named OpenMySQL.

by unmole 3y ago

BoorishBears 3y ago

Elastic was useless without X-Pack after a few versions And calling it open is fine, Amazon got dinged for calling their ES service Elasticsearch because it was confusing. Calling it Opensearch while touting Elasticsearch support is just as confusing, people fail to realize it's not Open Source Elasticsearch, it's fallen so far behind it doesn't touch on half the functionality ES offwrs

unmole 3y ago
> Elastic was useless without X-Pack after a few versions But somehow users still manage to derive value from OpenSearch. > Calling it Opensearch while touting Elasticsearch support is just as confusing Right. Because it's not like Amazon explicitly state that they won't support Elastic Search versions beyond 7.10. Oh, wait: https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/opensearch/ https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/opensearch/
- BoorishBears 3y ago
  > But somehow users still manage to derive value from OpenSearch. Because OpenSearch is built on the X-Pack components before they got moved to X-Pack. > Right. Because it's not like Amazon explicitly state that they won't support Elastic Search versions beyond 7.10. Oh, wait: https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/opensearch/ https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/opensearch/ You missed that your own linked post was speaking about hosting ES, not ES compatibility. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/keeping-clients-of-opensearch-and-elasticsearch-compatible-with-open-source/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/keeping-clients-of-o... > OpenSearch aims to provide wire compatibility with open source distributions of Elasticsearch 7.10.2, the software from which it was derived. You also missed that it's about the literal name OpenSearch vs Elasticsearch. Amazon benefits from people believing that OpenSearch is equivalent to Elasticsearch but open source, when really its this trailing orphaned fork that represents a significantly worse product: It'd be like if MariaDB had been named OpenMySQL.