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if they went back before 1973... you know, say, 1939... might have some different statistics about who is responsible for violence in Sweden.

EdwardDiego 3y ago
It's always poor people, people like to make it about race because then you can blame something other than your society. E.g., in my country, the concept of the "warrior gene" proved popular with people who like to think that the reason Māori are overrepresented in crime statistics is their fault. When they're overrepresented in every negative social measure, especially poverty. Nothing to do with colonisation, land theft and a century of deliberate destruction of their culture and social structure, nope, it's all them. (And Sweden's issues with refugees are Sweden's fault, not that of the refugees)
- neurobama 3y ago
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  - robomc 3y ago
    higher rates of being the victims of homicide right?
    - neurobama 3y ago
      Yes, and also perpetrating. Most murders are intra-racial.
      - robomc 3y ago
        Sure but are they generally intra-income-tier?
  - EdwardDiego 3y ago
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  - swagmoney1606 3y ago
    Just checking: Two of your sources are links to tweets of mobile screenshots of graphs/tables correct? Thanks in advance
    - neurobama 3y ago
      The sources they cite are clearly visible. The graphs are easier to grok at a glance than big tables. Do you have any response to the substance of my comment?
  - abenga 3y ago
    From one of the tweets: "If one assumes that incarceration rates reflect rates of felony perpetration...". It's not like the justice system can disproportionately target and punish one race compared to the others. No, that cannot be true!
    - neurobama 3y ago
      In fact it is not true: https://www.city-journal.org/article/is-the-criminal-justice-system-racist https://www.city-journal.org/article/is-the-criminal-justice...
- fatneckbeard 3y ago
  my point is not even that. my point is if you pick a time-slider window of 150 years, Europeans have started two world wars. Sweden collaborated with Nazis and i wonder how much violence resulted from that.

EdwardDiego 3y ago

It's always poor people, people like to make it about race because then you can blame something other than your society. E.g., in my country, the concept of the "warrior gene" proved popular with people who like to think that the reason Māori are overrepresented in crime statistics is their fault. When they're overrepresented in every negative social measure, especially poverty. Nothing to do with colonisation, land theft and a century of deliberate destruction of their culture and social structure, nope, it's all them. (And Sweden's issues with refugees are Sweden's fault, not that of the refugees)

neurobama 3y ago
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- robomc 3y ago
  higher rates of being the victims of homicide right?
  - neurobama 3y ago
    Yes, and also perpetrating. Most murders are intra-racial.
    - robomc 3y ago
      Sure but are they generally intra-income-tier?
- EdwardDiego 3y ago
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- swagmoney1606 3y ago
  Just checking: Two of your sources are links to tweets of mobile screenshots of graphs/tables correct? Thanks in advance
  - neurobama 3y ago
    The sources they cite are clearly visible. The graphs are easier to grok at a glance than big tables. Do you have any response to the substance of my comment?
- abenga 3y ago
  From one of the tweets: "If one assumes that incarceration rates reflect rates of felony perpetration...". It's not like the justice system can disproportionately target and punish one race compared to the others. No, that cannot be true!
  - neurobama 3y ago
    In fact it is not true: https://www.city-journal.org/article/is-the-criminal-justice-system-racist https://www.city-journal.org/article/is-the-criminal-justice...
fatneckbeard 3y ago
my point is not even that. my point is if you pick a time-slider window of 150 years, Europeans have started two world wars. Sweden collaborated with Nazis and i wonder how much violence resulted from that.