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The most obvious solution to this problem is to direct prosecutors and police to focus all their efforts on violent crime prevention. However, this avoids the

The most obvious solution to this problem is to direct prosecutors and police to focus all their efforts on violent crime prevention. However, this avoids the problems associated with harmful nonviolent crime, such as the fraud scams targeting the elderly and other vulnerable populations that you've probably seen on your social media feeds, messaging apps, etc., let alone things like crypto coin scams and subprime loans and on and on. Of course, eliminating all nonviolent drug abuse issues from the criminal docket and passing them on to the public health infrastructure (see Portugal) might free up resources to deal with both violent crime and property fraud.

paulpauper 3y ago
However, this avoids the problems associated with harmful nonviolent crime, such as the fraud scams targeting the elderly and other vulnerable populations that you've probably seen on your social media feeds, messaging apps, etc., let alone things like crypto coin scams and subprime loans and on and on. Yes, this times 2x. Too much focus on social media, like twitter, on violent crime. that is a problem, but non-violent crime, such as fraud, tends to have way more victims per perpetrator. it's not uncommon for a single fraudster, such as credit card theft, id theft, or call center theft, to have many, many victims for considerable sums of money before being caught. The collapse of FTX, for example, had thousands of claimants/victims for combined billions, all perpetrated by one guy and his handful of accomplices.
logonsrun76 3y ago
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- EdwardDiego 3y ago
  Any crime?
  - logonsrun76 3y ago
    Yes. I am for spending on social services like food banks etc, to make sure people dont fall into a need to commit crimes for basics. But for any crime, if your still pulling that shit after the age of 30, no lock up, just straight death.
    - EdwardDiego 3y ago
      Lol. How old are you.
    - npteljes 3y ago
      Check out how many are wrongly convicted in the US (or anywhere, really). Now imagine what a bit of corruption in the law enforcement could do - for a price or a bit of power, you could get a strike on someone, anyone.
- npteljes 3y ago
  While that's not untrue, these kind of systems just lead to their particular type of witch hunts, where the people in power game the system in a way that they make their opponents disappear. Combine your system with a bit of selective enforcement and imagine that lawmakers create a law that's trivial to cross, and you get a police state very quickly. I'd be all for a safer society, but there are at least three big problems with change that you have to deal with. One is that often, these proposals are not accounting for humans. Like the one above. Second is that you have to get there somehow. Make a transition from a current state to the next. If the reform is too sudden, society will reject it. Third is that you have to convince the rest of the people, if you're not a dictator. And I doubt that a dictator could have a safe and stable society to begin with. I suggest that you read up on utopias that people have tried to build. Even the Wiki article is quite interesting.

paulpauper 3y ago

However, this avoids the problems associated with harmful nonviolent crime, such as the fraud scams targeting the elderly and other vulnerable populations that you've probably seen on your social media feeds, messaging apps, etc., let alone things like crypto coin scams and subprime loans and on and on. Yes, this times 2x. Too much focus on social media, like twitter, on violent crime. that is a problem, but non-violent crime, such as fraud, tends to have way more victims per perpetrator. it's not uncommon for a single fraudster, such as credit card theft, id theft, or call center theft, to have many, many victims for considerable sums of money before being caught. The collapse of FTX, for example, had thousands of claimants/victims for combined billions, all perpetrated by one guy and his handful of accomplices.

logonsrun76 3y ago

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EdwardDiego 3y ago
Any crime?
- logonsrun76 3y ago
  Yes. I am for spending on social services like food banks etc, to make sure people dont fall into a need to commit crimes for basics. But for any crime, if your still pulling that shit after the age of 30, no lock up, just straight death.
  - EdwardDiego 3y ago
    Lol. How old are you.
  - npteljes 3y ago
    Check out how many are wrongly convicted in the US (or anywhere, really). Now imagine what a bit of corruption in the law enforcement could do - for a price or a bit of power, you could get a strike on someone, anyone.
npteljes 3y ago
While that's not untrue, these kind of systems just lead to their particular type of witch hunts, where the people in power game the system in a way that they make their opponents disappear. Combine your system with a bit of selective enforcement and imagine that lawmakers create a law that's trivial to cross, and you get a police state very quickly. I'd be all for a safer society, but there are at least three big problems with change that you have to deal with. One is that often, these proposals are not accounting for humans. Like the one above. Second is that you have to get there somehow. Make a transition from a current state to the next. If the reform is too sudden, society will reject it. Third is that you have to convince the rest of the people, if you're not a dictator. And I doubt that a dictator could have a safe and stable society to begin with. I suggest that you read up on utopias that people have tried to build. Even the Wiki article is quite interesting.