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It's not a pointless observation. If we restricted immigration to women only, violence perpetrated by immigrants would drop somewhere north of 90%.

jankyxenon 3y ago
How does the value of reduced immigrant crime stack up against the cost of skewing the sex balance in a country?
- selcuka 3y ago
  It's a statistical thought experiment, nobody (who is sane) is claiming that it would be a good thing.
  - jankyxenon 3y ago
    Check OP I’m responding too. His question is why racists don’t call for a male immigration ban - not a statistical thought experiment.
    - selcuka 3y ago
      I believe they are simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the racist rant. Racists claim that the reason they are against immigration from certain countries because of the increase in crime rate they would allegedly bring.
      - neurobama 3y ago
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        selcuka 3y ago
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        neurobama 3y ago
        Your tone clearly indicates skepticism; "racist rants", "allegedly." PS: Moralizing condescension isn't conducive to a positive response.
        selcuka 3y ago
        > "racist rants" It is true that I'm being condescending to racists. I'm also not expecting a positive response if the person (not necessarily you) I'm engaging is racist. It would be foolish. > "allegedly" Allegedly doesn't mean that they are wrong. It simply means that I don't know if they are wrong or right, because I don't have enough data. If I thought it is complete bollocks I would have written it as such. Also you seem to ignore that the main point of my comment is the "hypocrisy", i.e. only pointing out racial statistics, ignoring the gender (and possibly other variables, such as age) related ones.
ggm 3y ago
Violence perpetrated ON immigrants however, would inevitably rise since the same statistical validity applied to most women being the victims of violence.
- neurobama 3y ago
  >women being the victims of violence. What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender Men are slightly more likely than women to experience domestic violence in the US, per the CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReportonIPV_2022.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReport... However, woman are about twice as likely to become victims of sexual violence: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfa...
  - tomlockwood 3y ago
    > What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender You know this just seems like male on male violence to me ;)
    - neurobama 3y ago
      Hundreds of black men have died violent deaths because of bad policy written by those who, like you, avert their eyes from reality when it suits them: https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 Granted, they don't always do it with a droll non-sequitur.
      - tomlockwood 3y ago
        What reality do you think I'm averting my eyes from?

jankyxenon 3y ago

How does the value of reduced immigrant crime stack up against the cost of skewing the sex balance in a country?

selcuka 3y ago
It's a statistical thought experiment, nobody (who is sane) is claiming that it would be a good thing.
- jankyxenon 3y ago
  Check OP I’m responding too. His question is why racists don’t call for a male immigration ban - not a statistical thought experiment.
  - selcuka 3y ago
    I believe they are simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the racist rant. Racists claim that the reason they are against immigration from certain countries because of the increase in crime rate they would allegedly bring.
    - neurobama 3y ago
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      - selcuka 3y ago
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        neurobama 3y ago
        Your tone clearly indicates skepticism; "racist rants", "allegedly." PS: Moralizing condescension isn't conducive to a positive response.
        selcuka 3y ago
        > "racist rants" It is true that I'm being condescending to racists. I'm also not expecting a positive response if the person (not necessarily you) I'm engaging is racist. It would be foolish. > "allegedly" Allegedly doesn't mean that they are wrong. It simply means that I don't know if they are wrong or right, because I don't have enough data. If I thought it is complete bollocks I would have written it as such. Also you seem to ignore that the main point of my comment is the "hypocrisy", i.e. only pointing out racial statistics, ignoring the gender (and possibly other variables, such as age) related ones.

ggm 3y ago

Violence perpetrated ON immigrants however, would inevitably rise since the same statistical validity applied to most women being the victims of violence.

neurobama 3y ago
>women being the victims of violence. What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender Men are slightly more likely than women to experience domestic violence in the US, per the CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReportonIPV_2022.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs/NISVSReport... However, woman are about twice as likely to become victims of sexual violence: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfa...
- tomlockwood 3y ago
  > What sort of violence are we talking about? Men are murdered far more often than women across the globe, at a ratio of about 4 to 1: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender You know this just seems like male on male violence to me ;)
  - neurobama 3y ago
    Hundreds of black men have died violent deaths because of bad policy written by those who, like you, avert their eyes from reality when it suits them: https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1651437800842223616 Granted, they don't always do it with a droll non-sequitur.
    - tomlockwood 3y ago
      What reality do you think I'm averting my eyes from?