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(Well, the main topic of this thread was surely something else than gender identity and it is a flagged thread already anyway. I just wanted to make clear that

(Well, the main topic of this thread was surely something else than gender identity and it is a flagged thread already anyway. I just wanted to make clear that I was especially arguing about hate speech.) And I don't say, it is the same, but I don't talk about people who have merely "an interest in fashion". But people who really bind their identity towards it. That can be indeed fancy art clothing, or scenic cloths, like punks or goths dress or furry people. Saying they don't dress right, is a straight attack towards their identity. Still, I would consider this rude and ignorant, but not hate speech.

AlecSchueler 3y ago
That's fair enough. For me the difference is that if you don't like someone's clothes then you're still allowing them to wear them, but if you deny someone's gender or nationality which rely on outside recognition to feel real then you are actually limiting their expression of their self-perception.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  Just to add as well: We're living through a time when the suicide rate of people with gender dysphoria is climbing and climbing because of difficulties in having their gender affirmed by the people around them. I'll be first to defend people's right to dress as they will, especially in the case of women being forced to cover themselves (from burkhas to anti-toplessness laws), but the level of seriousness between being a goth and being a certain gender is currently worlds apart.