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And Europeans wonder why no major tech company ever came out of the EU.

cruunchMuncher 3y ago
Thats what would a typical brexit guy would say. You might have a point, but at least the companies here care for people
tzs 3y ago
What about ASML, SAP, Dassault, NXP, Infineon, and STMicroelectronics?
- rkwasny 3y ago
  Yeah, now look at the incorporation dates of these companies...
- redox99 3y ago
  I love how every time this EU thing is mentioned, you already know beforehand the 5 companies they'll mention as a "counterpoint"
- pkaye 3y ago
  A lot of the EUV development was done by US companies and national labs. > A lot of the research was funded by Intel and a couple of other US chip firms and was done in US national labs, which had the types of equipment and testing capabilities that were needed to actually make UV light at the requisite wavelength possible. But there was no US firm that could commercialize this equipment. Even though the science and technology was largely done in California. ASML was a company that already made older-generation lithography tools and had the capabilities to turn the science into a mass-manufactured device. That set ASML on the trajectory to where it is today: the only producer in the world of machine tools that can produce EUV light and use it to produce semiconductors. https://www.theverge.com/23578430/chip-war-chris-miller-asml-intel-apple-samsung-us-china-decoder https://www.theverge.com/23578430/chip-war-chris-miller-asml...
  - signatoremo 3y ago
    Without Cymer, which ASML acquired in 2013, there would be no EUV, the current state of the art lithography technology. Cymer continues to exist as an independent subsidiary within ASML to this day. This is a contract between Cymer and Lawrence Livermore Lab to enhance EUV technology: https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1413999 https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1413999 Granted ASML builds the actual fabrication machine that chip makers can use. We can’t praise their technical expertise enough.

Thats what would a typical brexit guy would say. You might have a point, but at least the companies here care for people

tzs 3y ago

What about ASML, SAP, Dassault, NXP, Infineon, and STMicroelectronics?

rkwasny 3y ago
Yeah, now look at the incorporation dates of these companies...
redox99 3y ago
I love how every time this EU thing is mentioned, you already know beforehand the 5 companies they'll mention as a "counterpoint"
pkaye 3y ago
A lot of the EUV development was done by US companies and national labs. > A lot of the research was funded by Intel and a couple of other US chip firms and was done in US national labs, which had the types of equipment and testing capabilities that were needed to actually make UV light at the requisite wavelength possible. But there was no US firm that could commercialize this equipment. Even though the science and technology was largely done in California. ASML was a company that already made older-generation lithography tools and had the capabilities to turn the science into a mass-manufactured device. That set ASML on the trajectory to where it is today: the only producer in the world of machine tools that can produce EUV light and use it to produce semiconductors. https://www.theverge.com/23578430/chip-war-chris-miller-asml-intel-apple-samsung-us-china-decoder https://www.theverge.com/23578430/chip-war-chris-miller-asml...
- signatoremo 3y ago
  Without Cymer, which ASML acquired in 2013, there would be no EUV, the current state of the art lithography technology. Cymer continues to exist as an independent subsidiary within ASML to this day. This is a contract between Cymer and Lawrence Livermore Lab to enhance EUV technology: https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1413999 https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1413999 Granted ASML builds the actual fabrication machine that chip makers can use. We can’t praise their technical expertise enough.