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> 1. Heat in the winter, this will reduce you range, some just a little, but in places like Minnesota in Feb, a lot. Scandinavia here. I've owned gasoline pow
by theshrike79 4y ago
> 1. Heat in the winter, this will reduce you range, some just a little, but in places like Minnesota in Feb, a lot.
Scandinavia here.
I've owned gasoline powered cars, I've owned diesels, I've owned hybrids (Priuses) and cars with additional fuel heaters.
My current EV absolutely demolishes every single one of those in the speed of heating up the cabin. It got down to -30C a few winters ago and I had to drop off my kid at school so that their face wouldn't freeze solid (we don't do "snow days" here). I actually timed it, ~2 minutes from a weekend-long -30C weather to 20 degree air blowing into the cabin. The only ones that got close were the fuel heater (8kW heating power, no emissions standards applied btw) and Priuses.
Yes, it takes a bunch of electricity to heat up the cabin at first, but the upkeep is a few kWh using the heat pump.
Also: My EV has _never_ failed to start in the winter, no matter what the situation. All of the above (except for the Priuses) have failed or given me extra heart palpitations during colder days.
> 2. Stuck in traffic.
I know people first hand who have _literally_ camped in their EVs multiple times. 5-10C outside, car keeping itself at a comfy 20-22C and the battery drain is negligible. Heat pumps with high COP are fun!
Unless you get in a China-style 10 day traffic jam[0], you'll be just fine. Better than people in ICEs.
> 3. Battery recycling and disposal.
Do you know why we don't have a multi-million battery recycling industry? Because the damn things won't break. Decade-old Teslas and even Leafs with their completely botched thermal management are still mostly (>90%) running on OG batteries.
And even if an EV battery is too degraded to be practical in a car, a 100kW battery that's degraded to 50% capacity is still a 50kW battery. That's enough to run a _house_ for a few days or a small cabin for weeks.
Remember the Three R's of recycling: Reduce, Reuse and Recycle. Very few batteries will get to the last R where they are actually broken down to their base metals.
> 4. Old EVs may need battery replacement
Old cars tend to need expensive repairs, the difference is that an EV has less moving parts to break. The only big thing is the battery, but that tech is moving too fast to make any kinds of predictions.
It's possible _today_ to get an old Leaf battery swapped for one with 50% more capacity than the old one.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_110_traffic_jam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Highway_110_tra...