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They person interviewed, Missy Cummings, was appointed by the Biden administration to be a senior safety advisor to NHTSA. Elon Musk directed his fans (who are

by Veserv 3y ago

They person interviewed, Missy Cummings, was appointed by the Biden administration to be a senior safety advisor to NHTSA. Elon Musk directed his fans (who are also largely shareholders) to viciously attack her which included sending death threats [1]. She was then ordered to recuse herself from any Tesla related matters due to a petition driven by those same Tesla shareholders. [1] https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/10/28/cars/tesla-ntsb-cummings/index.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/10/28/cars/tesla-ntsb-cummings/...

okdood64 3y ago
> Elon Musk directed his fans Where'd he do this? Have a link? Curious.
- Veserv 3y ago
  As stated in the article, he called her extremely biased against Tesla: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1450653942938054656?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1450653942938054656?s=20 Out of context, the tweet is largely innocuous as plenty of people might tweet such things. However, immediately following that tweet Missy Cummings was harassed ferociously by the Tesla shareholder base as seen here [1]. One of the leaders of the petition immediately following the tweet was Omar Qazi of WholeMarsBlog who is such a rabid fan and shareholder that he sees no issue with endangering children to support Tesla’s stock price as seen here [2] and the corresponding article. He also advocates for harassing any critics with vicious, baseless accusations [3]. Even if we assume that Elon is not directly organizing the attacks or by proxy, he has deliberately shaped a shareholding fanbase who will at the slightest mention. And, even if we assume that such a virulent base was purely accidental, which it never is, public figures have a moral duty to consider the likely consequences of their actions or speech. His followers, many of which he engages with and responds to on Twitter such as the aforementioned Onar Qazi, are well known to viciously attack people he identifies as critics. These are not fringe elements, but the core of his fanbase. His actions are all but guaranteed to result in harassment of his critics, which is to his benefit, and he makes no effort to stop such interpretation, but rather harnesses it to suppress his opponents. [1] https://twitter.com/MoodyHikmet/status/1451332679597625344 https://twitter.com/MoodyHikmet/status/1451332679597625344 [2] https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993 https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993 [3] https://dawnproject.com/what-is-the-credibility-and-character-of-omar-qazi-wholemarsblog/ https://dawnproject.com/what-is-the-credibility-and-characte...
machdiamonds 3y ago
You conveniently forgot to mention several things that don't fit your narrative. Why are you so eager to place the blame on Tesla fans for unearthing evidence, instead of calling out Cummings for her unsuitability for the role? Are you actually suggesting that NHTSA requested her recusal based on a simple petition, rather than the hard-hitting evidence it put forth? Cummings had a seat on the board of a LIDAR company and was paid by them [1]. She has had research funding from competitors in the industry Toyota, Uber, and Volkswagen [2]. She had associations with Tesla short-sellers, which raises questions about her impartiality [1]. Notably, she made public remarks suggesting an inclination to punch Musk [1]. Moreover, her legal team tried to suppress public discourse by attempting to get the petition on Change.org removed [1]. Also, should someone like this really hold an impartial position like the senior advisor of NHTSA? [3][4]. Let's not overlook these potential conflicts of interest just because they are inconvenient to acknowledge. [1] https://wholemars.net/2021/11/21/missy-cummings-is-fighting-to-make-sure-you-dont-read-this-petition/ https://wholemars.net/2021/11/21/missy-cummings-is-fighting-... [2] https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1450710771399200769 https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1450710771399200769 [3] https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1450691154299731970 https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1450691154299731970 [4] https://twitter.com/TitterDaily/status/1450832510267629570 https://twitter.com/TitterDaily/status/1450832510267629570
- netsharc 3y ago
  Hah, tl;dr, but link 1 is sooo neutral, it describes with flowery language about how great Tesla self driving is, and how shitty LIDAR is, after going on attack about her investment in a LIDAR company...
- Veserv 3y ago
  You mean Veoneer, the LIDAR company where she was formerly on the board of directors and formerly a shareholder [1]? Where she resigned from the board on October 25, effective November 1, and divested all of her shares prior to accepting the appointment to remove the potential financial conflict of interest? It sure is convenient how the blog post by Omar Qazi, a well known shareholder and propagandist who literally spends all of his time marketing for Tesla, made on November 21 fails to mention that event that occurred on October 25. Almost as if he has a massive conflict of interest and will say and do anything to support the value of his Tesla stock, such as endangering children [2]. I can not think of a more unreliable source other than Elon Musk himself (Elon Musk being a more unreliable source due to his even bigger conflict of interest). And yes, a expert with decades of experience in safety engineering having a informed opinion supported by actual research they have done [3] on products is exactly someone who should have a position like senior advisor to NHTSA [4]. [1] https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/veoneer-says-cummings-to-resign-from-board-after-nhtsa-appointment-2021-10-25 https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/veoneer-says-cummings-to-res... [2] https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993 https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993 [3] http://hal.pratt.duke.edu/sites/hal.pratt.duke.edu/files/u39/dms-min.pdf http://hal.pratt.duke.edu/sites/hal.pratt.duke.edu/files/u39... [4] https://www.curbed.com/2021/10/elon-musk-missy-cummings-transportation-twitter.html https://www.curbed.com/2021/10/elon-musk-missy-cummings-tran...

by Veserv 3y ago

okdood64 3y ago

> Elon Musk directed his fans Where'd he do this? Have a link? Curious.

Veserv 3y ago
As stated in the article, he called her extremely biased against Tesla: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1450653942938054656?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1450653942938054656?s=20 Out of context, the tweet is largely innocuous as plenty of people might tweet such things. However, immediately following that tweet Missy Cummings was harassed ferociously by the Tesla shareholder base as seen here [1]. One of the leaders of the petition immediately following the tweet was Omar Qazi of WholeMarsBlog who is such a rabid fan and shareholder that he sees no issue with endangering children to support Tesla’s stock price as seen here [2] and the corresponding article. He also advocates for harassing any critics with vicious, baseless accusations [3]. Even if we assume that Elon is not directly organizing the attacks or by proxy, he has deliberately shaped a shareholding fanbase who will at the slightest mention. And, even if we assume that such a virulent base was purely accidental, which it never is, public figures have a moral duty to consider the likely consequences of their actions or speech. His followers, many of which he engages with and responds to on Twitter such as the aforementioned Onar Qazi, are well known to viciously attack people he identifies as critics. These are not fringe elements, but the core of his fanbase. His actions are all but guaranteed to result in harassment of his critics, which is to his benefit, and he makes no effort to stop such interpretation, but rather harnesses it to suppress his opponents. [1] https://twitter.com/MoodyHikmet/status/1451332679597625344 https://twitter.com/MoodyHikmet/status/1451332679597625344 [2] https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993 https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993 [3] https://dawnproject.com/what-is-the-credibility-and-character-of-omar-qazi-wholemarsblog/ https://dawnproject.com/what-is-the-credibility-and-characte...

machdiamonds 3y ago

You conveniently forgot to mention several things that don't fit your narrative. Why are you so eager to place the blame on Tesla fans for unearthing evidence, instead of calling out Cummings for her unsuitability for the role? Are you actually suggesting that NHTSA requested her recusal based on a simple petition, rather than the hard-hitting evidence it put forth? Cummings had a seat on the board of a LIDAR company and was paid by them [1]. She has had research funding from competitors in the industry Toyota, Uber, and Volkswagen [2]. She had associations with Tesla short-sellers, which raises questions about her impartiality [1]. Notably, she made public remarks suggesting an inclination to punch Musk [1]. Moreover, her legal team tried to suppress public discourse by attempting to get the petition on Change.org removed [1]. Also, should someone like this really hold an impartial position like the senior advisor of NHTSA? [3][4]. Let's not overlook these potential conflicts of interest just because they are inconvenient to acknowledge. [1] https://wholemars.net/2021/11/21/missy-cummings-is-fighting-to-make-sure-you-dont-read-this-petition/ https://wholemars.net/2021/11/21/missy-cummings-is-fighting-... [2] https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1450710771399200769 https://twitter.com/wholemarsblog/status/1450710771399200769 [3] https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1450691154299731970 https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1450691154299731970 [4] https://twitter.com/TitterDaily/status/1450832510267629570 https://twitter.com/TitterDaily/status/1450832510267629570

netsharc 3y ago
Hah, tl;dr, but link 1 is sooo neutral, it describes with flowery language about how great Tesla self driving is, and how shitty LIDAR is, after going on attack about her investment in a LIDAR company...
Veserv 3y ago
You mean Veoneer, the LIDAR company where she was formerly on the board of directors and formerly a shareholder [1]? Where she resigned from the board on October 25, effective November 1, and divested all of her shares prior to accepting the appointment to remove the potential financial conflict of interest? It sure is convenient how the blog post by Omar Qazi, a well known shareholder and propagandist who literally spends all of his time marketing for Tesla, made on November 21 fails to mention that event that occurred on October 25. Almost as if he has a massive conflict of interest and will say and do anything to support the value of his Tesla stock, such as endangering children [2]. I can not think of a more unreliable source other than Elon Musk himself (Elon Musk being a more unreliable source due to his even bigger conflict of interest). And yes, a expert with decades of experience in safety engineering having a informed opinion supported by actual research they have done [3] on products is exactly someone who should have a position like senior advisor to NHTSA [4]. [1] https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/veoneer-says-cummings-to-resign-from-board-after-nhtsa-appointment-2021-10-25 https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/veoneer-says-cummings-to-res... [2] https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993 https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1558122848601812993 [3] http://hal.pratt.duke.edu/sites/hal.pratt.duke.edu/files/u39/dms-min.pdf http://hal.pratt.duke.edu/sites/hal.pratt.duke.edu/files/u39... [4] https://www.curbed.com/2021/10/elon-musk-missy-cummings-transportation-twitter.html https://www.curbed.com/2021/10/elon-musk-missy-cummings-tran...