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> we are currently in the most dangerous phase I did read the article. It’s ironic given her anti-Tesla stance how Tesla exactly follows what she recommends… “

by natch 3y ago

> we are currently in the most dangerous phase I did read the article. It’s ironic given her anti-Tesla stance how Tesla exactly follows what she recommends… “No hands-free L2” is pretty much exactly what Tesla urges and enforces its drivers to follow. Is the enforcement perfect? No, of course not; humans are simultaneously stupid and creative.

amluto 3y ago
Try reading it again. She thinks that either the driver should control the car or the car should control the car. Hands on a wheel while the car steers is not a driver controlling the car. Tesla does exactly what she objects to. Wayne did a study several years ago IIRC and determined that even their trained, professional drivers being paid for this exact task could not reliably, effectively and quickly take over driving when a self-driving car made a mistake. It’s a task that humans are really quite bad at. I know I am. Steering a car on an average road: not a big deal. Taking over on time when a new, borrowed Tesla tries to mess up on that same road: not so easy. Also, it takes more concentration than just steering the car normally.
- natch 3y ago
  Hah, you try reading it again. "So, no L3 [full self-driving, but the driver must be ready to take the wheel], which is too confusing, and no hands-free L2 [partial self-driving]." Let's zoom in on the part so you can read it, too: "no hands-free" Tesla requires its users to keep their hands on the wheel at all times, so they agree. You have your opinion about this, which you explain, but it differs from her opinion as expressed in the article. Key point (read the quote): She puts hands-on L2 inside the bounds of what she accepts. That is also exactly what Tesla currently provides.
EdwardDiego 3y ago
Apparently data and people who use it to make decisions have an anti-Tesla stance.
- natch 3y ago
  meh. Some people. Selective using data does not make you immune from all errors and bias.

by natch 3y ago

amluto 3y ago

Try reading it again. She thinks that either the driver should control the car or the car should control the car. Hands on a wheel while the car steers is not a driver controlling the car. Tesla does exactly what she objects to. Wayne did a study several years ago IIRC and determined that even their trained, professional drivers being paid for this exact task could not reliably, effectively and quickly take over driving when a self-driving car made a mistake. It’s a task that humans are really quite bad at. I know I am. Steering a car on an average road: not a big deal. Taking over on time when a new, borrowed Tesla tries to mess up on that same road: not so easy. Also, it takes more concentration than just steering the car normally.

natch 3y ago
Hah, you try reading it again. "So, no L3 [full self-driving, but the driver must be ready to take the wheel], which is too confusing, and no hands-free L2 [partial self-driving]." Let's zoom in on the part so you can read it, too: "no hands-free" Tesla requires its users to keep their hands on the wheel at all times, so they agree. You have your opinion about this, which you explain, but it differs from her opinion as expressed in the article. Key point (read the quote): She puts hands-on L2 inside the bounds of what she accepts. That is also exactly what Tesla currently provides.

EdwardDiego 3y ago

Apparently data and people who use it to make decisions have an anti-Tesla stance.

natch 3y ago
meh. Some people. Selective using data does not make you immune from all errors and bias.