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Here's the biggest and most important reason (besides the obvious ones like grids, energy, etc.): most people >cannot< afford an EV compared to say, a SH good(a

by sebow 3y ago

Here's the biggest and most important reason (besides the obvious ones like grids, energy, etc.): most people >cannot< afford an EV compared to say, a SH good(and often better) vehicle. EVs are not even competitive to their equivalent fossil-based cars that are new. Idealists should often take their heads out of their asses and understand most people don't have their privilege, ironically the most privileged ones screech about privilege while ignoring their own. Go ahead and tell developing countries to switch to EV-only, setting them back at least 10 years in terms of industry and economic growth.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
As an owner of BEV, this is correct. I was able to afford Enyaq for cca 60k EUR. And if you can't charge at home, then you are charging on public chargers for _more money_ than you would be taking gas in similar ICE. And on top of that you are subjected to stupid applications and waste much more time to actually get the charge. You are essentially paying premium to get less. And idealists are surprised that people ain't thrilled from BEV future.
theshrike79 3y ago
What people forget in these calculations is that many (not all) countries can produce the electricity for EVs themselves. Very few countries can produce gasoline and diesel in-house so to speak. The actual raw oil needs to be bought from a dictator somewhere (or Norway), processed by a company that takes their cut and transported all the way to their country + distributed everywhere, every step adds more cost and most of the money doesn't end up in the country buying the gasoline/diesel. You can make electricity anywhere and it's not that hard to store on a small scale and the people moving the electrons pay taxes to your country, as do the companies employing them. Less money going abroad, more staying in the country is good for everyone except oil companies. --- I, for one, can afford my EV because I can offset my loan payment from the money I save from not having to spend around 200€/month on gasoline (it's ~2€/litre here). Instead I charge it at home with electricity that has cost 0-10c/kWh for the last few months. I went from 10€/100km to ~1,5-2€/100km in driving costs. With a bit of code (or a service like Gridio), I can optimise that to only charge the car when the electricity is the cheapest. And I live in an apartment building.
mnkmnk 3y ago
It is not just that most people can’t afford an EV, but they don’t have home charging! The article doesn’t even mention this problem and just assumes that everyone has that privilege. Most people in developing countries park their cars roadside. And many people live on rent in apartments. The owner and the renter, neither want to pay for the charger installation.

by sebow 3y ago

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago

As an owner of BEV, this is correct. I was able to afford Enyaq for cca 60k EUR. And if you can't charge at home, then you are charging on public chargers for _more money_ than you would be taking gas in similar ICE. And on top of that you are subjected to stupid applications and waste much more time to actually get the charge. You are essentially paying premium to get less. And idealists are surprised that people ain't thrilled from BEV future.

theshrike79 3y ago

What people forget in these calculations is that many (not all) countries can produce the electricity for EVs themselves. Very few countries can produce gasoline and diesel in-house so to speak. The actual raw oil needs to be bought from a dictator somewhere (or Norway), processed by a company that takes their cut and transported all the way to their country + distributed everywhere, every step adds more cost and most of the money doesn't end up in the country buying the gasoline/diesel. You can make electricity anywhere and it's not that hard to store on a small scale and the people moving the electrons pay taxes to your country, as do the companies employing them. Less money going abroad, more staying in the country is good for everyone except oil companies. --- I, for one, can afford my EV because I can offset my loan payment from the money I save from not having to spend around 200€/month on gasoline (it's ~2€/litre here). Instead I charge it at home with electricity that has cost 0-10c/kWh for the last few months. I went from 10€/100km to ~1,5-2€/100km in driving costs. With a bit of code (or a service like Gridio), I can optimise that to only charge the car when the electricity is the cheapest. And I live in an apartment building.

mnkmnk 3y ago

It is not just that most people can’t afford an EV, but they don’t have home charging! The article doesn’t even mention this problem and just assumes that everyone has that privilege. Most people in developing countries park their cars roadside. And many people live on rent in apartments. The owner and the renter, neither want to pay for the charger installation.