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WH-1000XM5 => $400 Bose QC45 => $279 Fairbuds XL => 249€ ($272 if I convert right now) It's cheaper than two of the most popular headphones, how is there a "

by Kuinox 3y ago

WH-1000XM5 => $400 Bose QC45 => $279 Fairbuds XL => 249€ ($272 if I convert right now) It's cheaper than two of the most popular headphones, how is there a "too high sustainability tax" ?!?

manmal 3y ago
I can really recommend the WH-1000XM5 btw. They are quite light and work surprisingly well even with iDevices. I tried to call my dad while I mowed the lawn (electric mower, but pretty loud one) and he understood me well. Audio pass through sounds like the real thing, I’d just like to be able to turn it louder.
- Kuinox 3y ago
  That's a change then because the WH-1000XM3 microphone is really crap.
  - mh- 3y ago
    rtings.com describe the recording quality as pretty bad still on the XM5[0], but with markedly better mic noise suppression than the XM3[1]. (These are the most objective measurements I'm aware of.) [0]: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-1000xm5-wireless#test_377 https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-1000xm5-wi... [1]: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-1000xm3-wireless#test_377 https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-1000xm3-wi...
  - manmal 3y ago
    The XM5 have 8 microphones, that’s one of the major improvements over previous versions.
    - nickserv 3y ago
      NC headphones typically have multiple microphones, the more there are, the better the NC can be. This is because the first part of NC is detecting ambient noise, the second being generating soundwaves to cancel out what's picked up by the mics. With more mics it's possible to get more accurate NC, especially for directional sounds. However more mics won't necessarily mean better call quality, they may not even be used at all for voice. For example my Jabra NC pair has really good microphone quality for calls, this is done by having a dedicated boom microphone, in this case nothing to do with the multiple NC microphones.
gruez 3y ago
But what's the sound quality like? If they're in the price range of $300-400 premium headphones, but perform like $100 headphones, that's still a "tax".
- gsora 3y ago
  The price on noise canceling headphones is usually an indication of how good they do NC. The vast amount of Bluetooth NC headphones sound like their 100$ wired counterpart.

by Kuinox 3y ago

WH-1000XM5 => $400 Bose QC45 => $279 Fairbuds XL => 249€ ($272 if I convert right now) It's cheaper than two of the most popular headphones, how is there a "too high sustainability tax" ?!?

manmal 3y ago

I can really recommend the WH-1000XM5 btw. They are quite light and work surprisingly well even with iDevices. I tried to call my dad while I mowed the lawn (electric mower, but pretty loud one) and he understood me well. Audio pass through sounds like the real thing, I’d just like to be able to turn it louder.

Kuinox 3y ago
That's a change then because the WH-1000XM3 microphone is really crap.
- mh- 3y ago
  rtings.com describe the recording quality as pretty bad still on the XM5[0], but with markedly better mic noise suppression than the XM3[1]. (These are the most objective measurements I'm aware of.) [0]: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-1000xm5-wireless#test_377 https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-1000xm5-wi... [1]: https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-1000xm3-wireless#test_377 https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-1000xm3-wi...
- manmal 3y ago
  The XM5 have 8 microphones, that’s one of the major improvements over previous versions.
  - nickserv 3y ago
    NC headphones typically have multiple microphones, the more there are, the better the NC can be. This is because the first part of NC is detecting ambient noise, the second being generating soundwaves to cancel out what's picked up by the mics. With more mics it's possible to get more accurate NC, especially for directional sounds. However more mics won't necessarily mean better call quality, they may not even be used at all for voice. For example my Jabra NC pair has really good microphone quality for calls, this is done by having a dedicated boom microphone, in this case nothing to do with the multiple NC microphones.

gruez 3y ago

But what's the sound quality like? If they're in the price range of $300-400 premium headphones, but perform like $100 headphones, that's still a "tax".

gsora 3y ago
The price on noise canceling headphones is usually an indication of how good they do NC. The vast amount of Bluetooth NC headphones sound like their 100$ wired counterpart.