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ok, first thing: > but a path that is predominately for women since this is an important premise, apparently the turning point of her "PHP sucks" phase, why n

by Chris2048 3y ago

ok, first thing: > but a path that is predominately for women since this is an important premise, apparently the turning point of her "PHP sucks" phase, why no link to evidence? also: > I’m tired of calling people out again and again > Instead, we lecture and dismiss and heap scorn upon them. is "calling out" different from lecturing? and: > to the vile reactionary attitudes towards the introduction of Codes of Conduct Not at all the same thing. The history of CoCs tells the tale, no cheap dismissal based on your own bad behaviour needed. In fact, saying "I used to be a bad person, but I'm enlightened now, and assume everyone with similar opinions to the ones I used to hold are bad people like I used to be" is a little smug and/or narcissistic. Cool, you feel you grew as a person - keep that as a lesson for yourself, not a lecture for everyone else, otherwise you are still projecting your opinions on others, and weaponizing your former faults: > Because we were the problematic elements. > We excluded people. Directly. All of us. Doesn't sound like owning up to personal behaviour.. Maybe speak for yourself.

throwaway81523 3y ago
> > but a path that is predominately for women > since this is an important premise, apparently the turning point of her "PHP sucks" phase, why no link to evidence? I didn't figure it out til this comment thread but I think it is based on a (stereotyped?) picture of male hackers arriving through the traditional male-heavy STEM education, CS major or whatever, and the "sophisticate" culture that goes with that. Female hackers in that picture are (were?) more likely to have arrived through writing, web design, then doing some scripting here and there before finding their way into backend development, so PHP will be all they have seen at the relevant moment. At least that seemed like what was being conveyed. The essay as a whole wasn't that impressive. C (one of the more testosterone-soaked languages FWIW) really does suck, people who use it without knowing better don't deserve contempt, but it is worthwhile to provide some gentle enlightenment if you're in a position to do so. These days PHP has improved, Javascript has eaten the scripting world, and C is mostly relegated to legacy and embedded niches. But we really do live in a bunch of overlapping messed up programming cultures and we should always try to widen our horizons without blaming the victims. The "blub paradox" ironically both explains the culture problem, and is an example of it (it fails to recognize that Lisp is also a blub).

throwaway81523 3y ago

> > but a path that is predominately for women > since this is an important premise, apparently the turning point of her "PHP sucks" phase, why no link to evidence? I didn't figure it out til this comment thread but I think it is based on a (stereotyped?) picture of male hackers arriving through the traditional male-heavy STEM education, CS major or whatever, and the "sophisticate" culture that goes with that. Female hackers in that picture are (were?) more likely to have arrived through writing, web design, then doing some scripting here and there before finding their way into backend development, so PHP will be all they have seen at the relevant moment. At least that seemed like what was being conveyed. The essay as a whole wasn't that impressive. C (one of the more testosterone-soaked languages FWIW) really does suck, people who use it without knowing better don't deserve contempt, but it is worthwhile to provide some gentle enlightenment if you're in a position to do so. These days PHP has improved, Javascript has eaten the scripting world, and C is mostly relegated to legacy and embedded niches. But we really do live in a bunch of overlapping messed up programming cultures and we should always try to widen our horizons without blaming the victims. The "blub paradox" ironically both explains the culture problem, and is an example of it (it fails to recognize that Lisp is also a blub).