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Have gotten similar calls from "NY Sergeants Association" too. This is surely the tip of the iceberg though as it doesn't even cover all those political fundrai

Have gotten similar calls from "NY Sergeants Association" too. This is surely the tip of the iceberg though as it doesn't even cover all those political fundraising PACs that are similarly running these fraudulent rackets raising money for candidates when in fact they're just funding themselves on loop. Some that come to mind stop-republicans.org, Progressive Turnout Project: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/progressive-turnout-project/summary?id=D000069975 https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/progressive-turnout-project... https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/stop-republicans-pac/C00633404/expenditures/2022 https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs... We can see the vast majority of funds raised just go to themselves and very little to the causes they profess. Just scamming small and big donors alike, with no FTC or FEC actions whatsoever. Seems like this is a giant loophole for fraud that gets even worse with automation year after year.

Spivak 3y ago
I feel like you chose an odd group as your example since the progressive turnout group's whole thing is to spend the money themselves on direct advertising to voters. Whether they deliver on the promise of "give us money and we'll get more people out to the polls" is one thing, but the mission at least is sound. Elections are won by getting more of your base out to vote because the US has such a low turnout. Republicans aren't shy about it either which is why there's such a huge backlash against Gen Z voting more than expected for young people. My (red) state's reaction is to just outright make passing citizen initiated legislation impossible because democrats have been on a successful run of passing bills since it's one flat vote and not gerrymandered to hell.
- asnyder 3y ago
  My experience with them is via their shady false donation-match mailings, as well as copy cat spam even after unsubscribing and asking to be removed. Further, looking into their payment records they have rarely contributed to anything outside themselves and have no documentation regarding any mailings or any actions related from their fundraising. Further their fundraising mailings specifically state numerous actions they'll undertake as well as distributions, to candidates, none of which seems to actually be happening despite what they claim in their fundraising. According to my rough napkin math, seems more than 80% of the funds raised goes to pay themselves. Those funds would be much better spent on the actual actions they profess versus inflated operations costs, and fundraising process on loop.
metadat 3y ago
Every few years I get a call from a fudraiser guy with the "California Police and Firemen Association" or similar. This man has a wonderful, celebrity-class, cop-sounding voice. I've never liked this guy repeatedly calling me, because every time I've always asked to be removed from the list. So this past year I was a mild jerk to him, yanking him around a bit and wasting time, and he immediately descended and transformed into a huge asshole and began berating and verbally abusing me before abruptly hanging up. Sketch. Maybe now he'll scrub me?

Spivak 3y ago

I feel like you chose an odd group as your example since the progressive turnout group's whole thing is to spend the money themselves on direct advertising to voters. Whether they deliver on the promise of "give us money and we'll get more people out to the polls" is one thing, but the mission at least is sound. Elections are won by getting more of your base out to vote because the US has such a low turnout. Republicans aren't shy about it either which is why there's such a huge backlash against Gen Z voting more than expected for young people. My (red) state's reaction is to just outright make passing citizen initiated legislation impossible because democrats have been on a successful run of passing bills since it's one flat vote and not gerrymandered to hell.

asnyder 3y ago
My experience with them is via their shady false donation-match mailings, as well as copy cat spam even after unsubscribing and asking to be removed. Further, looking into their payment records they have rarely contributed to anything outside themselves and have no documentation regarding any mailings or any actions related from their fundraising. Further their fundraising mailings specifically state numerous actions they'll undertake as well as distributions, to candidates, none of which seems to actually be happening despite what they claim in their fundraising. According to my rough napkin math, seems more than 80% of the funds raised goes to pay themselves. Those funds would be much better spent on the actual actions they profess versus inflated operations costs, and fundraising process on loop.

metadat 3y ago

Every few years I get a call from a fudraiser guy with the "California Police and Firemen Association" or similar. This man has a wonderful, celebrity-class, cop-sounding voice. I've never liked this guy repeatedly calling me, because every time I've always asked to be removed from the list. So this past year I was a mild jerk to him, yanking him around a bit and wasting time, and he immediately descended and transformed into a huge asshole and began berating and verbally abusing me before abruptly hanging up. Sketch. Maybe now he'll scrub me?