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> Capitalism cannot unlock the potential of the web Luckily you can just log in to the communist internet, invented before the capitalist one and with way bett

by vasco 4y ago

> Capitalism cannot unlock the potential of the web Luckily you can just log in to the communist internet, invented before the capitalist one and with way better content and potential. Right?

dkns 4y ago
Because world is binary and the only two choices are capitalism and communism, right?
- nickpp 4y ago
  Please feel free to present the alternatives.
geysersam 4y ago
Having a free society is not the same as having only capitalism decide where resources should be allocated. I'm just noting the that the most valuable websites on the internet are relatively nonprofit.
- marcusverus 4y ago
  > Having a free society is not the same as having only capitalism decide where resources should be allocated. Huh? Capitalism is literally a state of economic freedom. People accumulate capital via consensual economic transactions, then decide what to do with it (stuff like funding Wikipedia!). How is this contrary to a free society?
- vasco 4y ago
  You stated the full potential of the web cannot be unlocked by capitalism. I merely illustrated that the web was invented and ran by a capitalist society, the internet you see today is a product of capitalism, the good parts and the bad ones. Unless you can link me websites created and ran from countries with different systems - that you had in mind as being superior.
ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
Pretty sure the "communist internet" is just the TCP/UDP/IP suite. You can send or receive whatever stream of bytes to whomever you want for close to nothing (price of electricity/connectivity). Can't get more "communist", communal, if you will, than that. Also, by definition, a "communist internet" can have no log in, it's either something we have in our commons [1] or not. Now if, for example, Hacker News would ask me to pay 0.001 USD to receive this specific stream of bytes, I guess that would be "capitalist internet". Perhaps it would be a good idea, who knows, I'd sure like to be paid for putting content out there for large language models to sweep in. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons#System_archetype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons#System_...
- rikroots 4y ago
  My immediate thought was NNTP, on which they built Usenet ... or so I thought. I checked on Wikipedia before pressing the `reply` button and discovered that Usenet started in 1980 and originally ran over something called UUCP - which was also used for early email systems? ... This is why I love Wikipedia. It teaches me new things every day.

by vasco 4y ago

> Capitalism cannot unlock the potential of the web Luckily you can just log in to the communist internet, invented before the capitalist one and with way better content and potential. Right?

dkns 4y ago

Because world is binary and the only two choices are capitalism and communism, right?

nickpp 4y ago
Please feel free to present the alternatives.

geysersam 4y ago

Having a free society is not the same as having only capitalism decide where resources should be allocated. I'm just noting the that the most valuable websites on the internet are relatively nonprofit.

marcusverus 4y ago
> Having a free society is not the same as having only capitalism decide where resources should be allocated. Huh? Capitalism is literally a state of economic freedom. People accumulate capital via consensual economic transactions, then decide what to do with it (stuff like funding Wikipedia!). How is this contrary to a free society?
vasco 4y ago
You stated the full potential of the web cannot be unlocked by capitalism. I merely illustrated that the web was invented and ran by a capitalist society, the internet you see today is a product of capitalism, the good parts and the bad ones. Unless you can link me websites created and ran from countries with different systems - that you had in mind as being superior.

ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago

Pretty sure the "communist internet" is just the TCP/UDP/IP suite. You can send or receive whatever stream of bytes to whomever you want for close to nothing (price of electricity/connectivity). Can't get more "communist", communal, if you will, than that. Also, by definition, a "communist internet" can have no log in, it's either something we have in our commons [1] or not. Now if, for example, Hacker News would ask me to pay 0.001 USD to receive this specific stream of bytes, I guess that would be "capitalist internet". Perhaps it would be a good idea, who knows, I'd sure like to be paid for putting content out there for large language models to sweep in. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons#System_archetype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons#System_...

rikroots 4y ago
My immediate thought was NNTP, on which they built Usenet ... or so I thought. I checked on Wikipedia before pressing the `reply` button and discovered that Usenet started in 1980 and originally ran over something called UUCP - which was also used for early email systems? ... This is why I love Wikipedia. It teaches me new things every day.