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The bluestreak cleaner wrasse [1-3] runs back and forth comparing the size of itself from an image with potential threats to know if it must fight or flight. Oc

The bluestreak cleaner wrasse [1-3] runs back and forth comparing the size of itself from an image with potential threats to know if it must fight or flight. Octopuses are famously smart [4]. Any intelligence or self-awareness test is also a test on the tester: how good are they in detecting what matters for the biomachine [5]/animal in testing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaner_fish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaner_fish [2] video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujy9EmUzN4E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujy9EmUzN4E [3] article: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2208420120 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2208420120 [4] https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/octopuses-keep-surprising-us-here-are-eight-examples-how.html https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/octopuses-keep-surprising-us-... [5] "Xenobots: the Age of Biological Robots", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w77_yhkXzzo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w77_yhkXzzo

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
I'm not saying no animals have self-awareness, indeed many do. Not just octopuses, also elephants, corvids, dogs, chimps, etc. The animals we commonly eat (chicken, cow, turkey, salmon, cod, etc) though don't seem to meet the criteria.
- ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
  Right, I'm just saying we need a new framework (metaphysical, ethical, perhaps even socio-political if synthetic agents will be part of our society), beyond dichotomies such as natural/artificial, evolved/designed, organic/machine. Not sure how it should/would look like, best so far I could find is the concept of cognitive light cones [1] and the "Technological Approach to Mind Everywhere: An Experimentally-Grounded Framework for Understanding Diverse Bodies and Minds" [2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnObwxJZpZc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnObwxJZpZc [2] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnsys.2022.768201/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnsys.2022.7682...

PrimeMcFly 3y ago

I'm not saying no animals have self-awareness, indeed many do. Not just octopuses, also elephants, corvids, dogs, chimps, etc. The animals we commonly eat (chicken, cow, turkey, salmon, cod, etc) though don't seem to meet the criteria.

ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
Right, I'm just saying we need a new framework (metaphysical, ethical, perhaps even socio-political if synthetic agents will be part of our society), beyond dichotomies such as natural/artificial, evolved/designed, organic/machine. Not sure how it should/would look like, best so far I could find is the concept of cognitive light cones [1] and the "Technological Approach to Mind Everywhere: An Experimentally-Grounded Framework for Understanding Diverse Bodies and Minds" [2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnObwxJZpZc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnObwxJZpZc [2] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnsys.2022.768201/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnsys.2022.7682...