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Why? If you say “fuck Biden” nothing is gonna happen to you. If you say “fuck Xi” then you better hope you never travel to China. There’s a massive difference b

Why? If you say “fuck Biden” nothing is gonna happen to you. If you say “fuck Xi” then you better hope you never travel to China. There’s a massive difference between east and west and what you say on the internet.

mardifoufs 3y ago
I'm pretty sure I can say fuck China and still travel there if I live in the middle east unless I'm a particularly vocal critic I guess. Saying down with the US can get you on a no fly list too by the way, if you live in the middle east. And whatever I say about China won't get me droned which is absolutely not the case for the US.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  Gonna need a source on US intentionally droning someone for their words.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    If I say that I was affiliated with Al Qaïda? In any case it is much more likely to get droned by the US than by China, no matter how unlikely it is in the absolute.
    - reducesuffering 3y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy And 24 million Taiwanese are far less likely to die due to US invasion of them.
      - mardifoufs 3y ago
        What? Are you linking to the fallacy you yourself just used? I was talking about the middle east, so that's a pretty weird deflection. I guess it's fine if the US invades middle eastern countries and drones civilians as long as they are on Taiwan's side? What
        throwaway2990 3y ago
        You asked if you said you were Al Qaïda. You’re saying “I’m part of a terrorist organization” and expecting not to get flagged? I’m talking about disagreeing with the government. If you called out Biden for being worse than trump and he touches children and sniffs their hair. Nothing will happen to you. If you did that to Xi. You would end up in a reeducation camp. But you’re like “how come I can’t claim to be part of a terrorist organization and then still travel to America” Not even remotely similar.
        mardifoufs 3y ago
        If I say death to America, unironically and openly from Syria or Yemen or most of the middle east I'll absolutely get flight restricted. My example about saying that I was part of Al Qaïda was about getting droned, not just get on a no fly list. Again, from the middle east the US is a much bigger threat. China isn't, at all. There is no denying that and no amount of "but you have free speech in the US!!" Matters in this context
hmm37 3y ago
Perhaps change the example to someone in the Middle East saying, "fuck the US" or "down with the US", versus "fuck Biden". I don't think the person from the Middle East would necessarily have an easy time traveling to the US either. In the end there's just different "trigger" words that would make traveling to different countries more difficult.
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  Oh man, that would be many many "random" checks on the border :)

mardifoufs 3y ago

I'm pretty sure I can say fuck China and still travel there if I live in the middle east unless I'm a particularly vocal critic I guess. Saying down with the US can get you on a no fly list too by the way, if you live in the middle east. And whatever I say about China won't get me droned which is absolutely not the case for the US.

reducesuffering 3y ago
Gonna need a source on US intentionally droning someone for their words.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  If I say that I was affiliated with Al Qaïda? In any case it is much more likely to get droned by the US than by China, no matter how unlikely it is in the absolute.
  - reducesuffering 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy And 24 million Taiwanese are far less likely to die due to US invasion of them.
    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      What? Are you linking to the fallacy you yourself just used? I was talking about the middle east, so that's a pretty weird deflection. I guess it's fine if the US invades middle eastern countries and drones civilians as long as they are on Taiwan's side? What
      - throwaway2990 3y ago
        You asked if you said you were Al Qaïda. You’re saying “I’m part of a terrorist organization” and expecting not to get flagged? I’m talking about disagreeing with the government. If you called out Biden for being worse than trump and he touches children and sniffs their hair. Nothing will happen to you. If you did that to Xi. You would end up in a reeducation camp. But you’re like “how come I can’t claim to be part of a terrorist organization and then still travel to America” Not even remotely similar.
        mardifoufs 3y ago
        If I say death to America, unironically and openly from Syria or Yemen or most of the middle east I'll absolutely get flight restricted. My example about saying that I was part of Al Qaïda was about getting droned, not just get on a no fly list. Again, from the middle east the US is a much bigger threat. China isn't, at all. There is no denying that and no amount of "but you have free speech in the US!!" Matters in this context

hmm37 3y ago

Perhaps change the example to someone in the Middle East saying, "fuck the US" or "down with the US", versus "fuck Biden". I don't think the person from the Middle East would necessarily have an easy time traveling to the US either. In the end there's just different "trigger" words that would make traveling to different countries more difficult.

ajsnigrutin 3y ago
Oh man, that would be many many "random" checks on the border :)