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Yes, and my god would it be nice to finally stop this charade of "school is for learning" meanwhile unanimously everyone goes through the process explicitly to

Yes, and my god would it be nice to finally stop this charade of "school is for learning" meanwhile unanimously everyone goes through the process explicitly to land a job, all the while the curriculum gets centered around application in jobs. We need separate systems, one for actually learning without financial pressure, and one for joining the workforce - before anyone brings up College/Uni as the solution, they can be if transformed but as of right now there are too many in Uni doing so to get a job.

fnordpiglet 3y ago
When you have a system organized around the morality of work and not working ostracizes you from society, health care, shelter, food security, etc, what do you expect? My wish is the next 20 years brings a post scarcity society where wage slaving for a corporation so your family doesn’t die if they get cancer isn’t so much a moral imperative.
- BillyTheMage 3y ago
  Post-scarcity will never happen, we live on a finite planet, and that's why mass industry is as much of a problem as Capitalism. We need to divorce from the idea that more production is inherently better than less production.
  - fnordpiglet 3y ago
    Post scarcity has more to do with divorcing labor from production than producing unlimited amounts of widgets. A basic living, often proposed as basic income, is therefore available to all without everyone fully employed. Our work morality that equates labor with godliness will make this morally hard to accept, but I dream someday art can be a labor of its own merit, or even building realms in Minecraft. I don’t frankly see what’s intrinsically superior to laboring at McDonalds or as an accountant for some globo corporation over playing video games all day. But most people believe breaking your soul in a cubicle is somehow morally superior.
    - falcolas 3y ago
      > Post scarcity has more to do with divorcing labor from production For almost everything, we’re there. Especially when it comes to food production. There’s still some employment to be had, but precious little when compared with the number of people who can be fed by that limited labor. For most of our basic needs, this holds true. Yet, the economy demands our labor, arguably hallucinating jobs into existence to meet those demands.
      - fnordpiglet 3y ago
        I agree. Realistically housing, medical care, and a few other basic necessities aren’t there. And farming the way we do is blasting the earth. We still have a way to go. But the nobility of exploitation and a life of pointless toil will likely persist without some serious dislocations in society. It’s possible AI will bring those about. But as a society we don’t let go of our prisons easily.
  - Gud 3y ago
    We are expanding beyond Earth though. the universe is more than plenty, at least for the next few thousand years.

fnordpiglet 3y ago

When you have a system organized around the morality of work and not working ostracizes you from society, health care, shelter, food security, etc, what do you expect? My wish is the next 20 years brings a post scarcity society where wage slaving for a corporation so your family doesn’t die if they get cancer isn’t so much a moral imperative.

BillyTheMage 3y ago
Post-scarcity will never happen, we live on a finite planet, and that's why mass industry is as much of a problem as Capitalism. We need to divorce from the idea that more production is inherently better than less production.
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  Post scarcity has more to do with divorcing labor from production than producing unlimited amounts of widgets. A basic living, often proposed as basic income, is therefore available to all without everyone fully employed. Our work morality that equates labor with godliness will make this morally hard to accept, but I dream someday art can be a labor of its own merit, or even building realms in Minecraft. I don’t frankly see what’s intrinsically superior to laboring at McDonalds or as an accountant for some globo corporation over playing video games all day. But most people believe breaking your soul in a cubicle is somehow morally superior.
  - falcolas 3y ago
    > Post scarcity has more to do with divorcing labor from production For almost everything, we’re there. Especially when it comes to food production. There’s still some employment to be had, but precious little when compared with the number of people who can be fed by that limited labor. For most of our basic needs, this holds true. Yet, the economy demands our labor, arguably hallucinating jobs into existence to meet those demands.
    - fnordpiglet 3y ago
      I agree. Realistically housing, medical care, and a few other basic necessities aren’t there. And farming the way we do is blasting the earth. We still have a way to go. But the nobility of exploitation and a life of pointless toil will likely persist without some serious dislocations in society. It’s possible AI will bring those about. But as a society we don’t let go of our prisons easily.
- Gud 3y ago
  We are expanding beyond Earth though. the universe is more than plenty, at least for the next few thousand years.