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When I was in school, I was lucky enough to have a philosophy teacher who would actually debate things with students. One of my favorite discussions with him wa
by fwlr 3y ago
When I was in school, I was lucky enough to have a philosophy teacher who would actually debate things with students. One of my favorite discussions with him was about our math classes banning the use of calculators, and his class banning the use of Wikipedia. His argument was these restrictions trained us in the skills we would need to succeed on the exam, where we would not have calculators or Wikipedia to help us. He would intentionally make poor arguments like this with the expectation that we would be able to identify what was wrong; here it was that he was “kicking the can down the road” and was hoping we would then ask, well, why we aren’t allowed to use calculators/Wikipedia in the exam?
We did ask that (I think he was proud) and then we had a good discussion of the applicability of the exam to real life, where we concluded that real life circumstances might occur that imitate the restricted conditions of the exam - e.g. you may be in a situation where you don’t have a calculator but still need to do maths, or you may be asked to research something for which a Wikipedia page does not yet exist. Other good arguments I remember being suggested in favor of exams were “the time limit of exams approximates real life time pressure” and “competence in the most restricted form of the aptitude implies competence in less restricted forms, but the reverse is not true”.
I get the impression that schools today do not utilize exams like they did back then, which I think is probably a bad thing and definitely makes it harder to catch out ChatGPT-using students.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y agoIt's good to have skills in general. If all you can do is use tools and don't really have any knowledge except applying tools, you're not going to be more valuable than anyone else who can use those tools. In the case of GPT, basically everyone on the planet. That's not a rat race I'd want to be in, but to each their own.
- tkgally 3y agoSounds like you had a great philosophy teacher. Guided discussion about open-ended questions can be the most satisfying kind of teaching for both teachers and students. It’s also resistant to cheating with GPT, at least when conducted live and in person [1]. It becomes harder to pull off as classes become larger and subjects become more technical—but maybe that’s the kind of learning that should be replaced by interactive bots anyhow. [1] I’m teaching a discussion-based university class online this semester, and last week one student with her camera off sounded as if she might be reading her comments aloud rather than speaking spontaneously. I wondered if she might have composed them with ChatGPT.
- theshrike79 3y agoOur math teacher was a bit of a savant. He gave us the option to have calculators in tests or do the math on paper and in our heads. We picked calculators. He formed the calculations so that every calculator choked on the numbers at a few strategic points and we had to do parts of it by hand anyway =) We didn't pick the calculator option after that.