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Here’s the solution here: 1. Proper data protection laws that apply universally to every company. No more “oh sorry we fucked up here’s free credit monitoring”

Here’s the solution here: 1. Proper data protection laws that apply universally to every company. No more “oh sorry we fucked up here’s free credit monitoring”. I’m talking fines of 5% base + 1% daily increase for every day they delay announcing their fuck up of global revenue. If they’ve tried to hide it and it comes out later, that company gets nationalized. 2. Actual lawsuits against the various social media companies that have actively aided in manipulating people. E.g Cambridge Analytica 3. Removal of any “limited liability” protections against execs that actively stood by and waited for this to happen. Execs being defined by the top 10-20% of the company by both assets and income (stock and cash) If you’re talking about “communist core values” you’re, respectfully, fallen into a weird propaganda trap. Nothing about China is “communist”. North Korea calls themselves democratic, but no one actually calls them that. To me, your comment sounds like a bag of Sinophobia mixed in with a bunch of “ok” takes assuming you want this applied to everyone. Not just the new big baddie.

_siis 3y ago
While I agree with some of what you say, with respect, that latter part I think you've fallen into a flawed association trap through the use of corrupted language. Anyone that's educated in this area knows just because someone says something is true, it doesn't make it so, and discussing that wasn't even part of the comment so you are getting into the weeds. For your own edifice, can you (for yourself) tell what are the differences between socialism, communism, fascism and fabianism; and which ones are mutually exclusive? A google search surface view won't be much help with answering that; best resource is historical texts and essays. To me, you seem to have mixed objectives or have been seriously misled. You claim its new, but this in fact is a very old 'baddie' wrapped up in new clothing.
- mistermann 3y ago
  > Anyone that's educated in this area knows just because someone says something is true, it doesn't make it so With additional education one might also know that something not being actually true very often has little influence on whether people believe it to be true, which is what really matters when it comes to propaganda...and I found your text quite impressive, very believable.
- turtleyacht 3y ago
  > socialism, communism, fascism and fabianism; and which ones are mutually exclusive Could you give a summary of these? Especially, which ones are mutually exclusive. As well, do you agree with the following summary? F means "anti-" state capital anarchist flavor T T non-anarchist / unknown T F libertarian socialist? F T impossible anarchist F F libertarian communist What is the "very old 'baddie' wrapped in new clothing" you refer to? References [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35851409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35851409 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35851392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35851392 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35845460 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35845460 Thank-you for your time.
Mizoguchi 3y ago
Telling the truth about the CPP and their absolute control of Chinese "private" corporations to spy and infiltrate their adversaries is not Sinophobia. The general Chinese population are not to blame here as they are just another victim of the CPP. Growing up my self in a totalitarian "communist" regime (none of them are communist for that matter, they incorporate socialist and communist ideas in their propaganda) I know there's nothing you can do as an individual to change the system and getting organized with other people is technically impossible, as the climate of fear and distrust is such that you don't dare to talk about anything closely related to politics among neighbors, friends and even relatives. We know what happens to Chinese exec, artists and athletes when they don't play by the CPP rules. Just imagine if in the US it was normal for people like Jeff Bezos, LeBron James or Jennifer Lawrence "dissappear" every time they confront the US government and the psychological impact that would have on the regular population.
- spondylosaurus 3y ago
  Is the "CPP" the Chinese Pommunist Party?
  - turtleyacht 3y ago
    You jest, but I also found it here: https://calvert.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-calvert-takes-action-confront-chinese-communist-party https://calvert.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-calvert-t... Maybe a typo in both cases? Maybe it was a romanized translation of CCP, or perhaps poster wrote C++ a lot, or CPP really was associated with CCP. However, I don't yet know what it stands for.
    - andrewem 3y ago
      That document says “Chinese Communist Party (CCP)” then uses CCP 7 more times. It uses CPP once, which is clearly a typo.
  - kieselguhr_kid 3y ago
    communist party of pugs
kortilla 3y ago
Check your mental models. Anytime you reach for the term “sinophobia”, you are likely unintentionally repeating CCP propaganda. Nobody here is complaining about Chinese people. They are complaining about a particular regime at the head of the Chinese government. They have approximately zero overlap and accusations of Sinophobia are designed to smokescreen any accusations of a government.

_siis 3y ago

While I agree with some of what you say, with respect, that latter part I think you've fallen into a flawed association trap through the use of corrupted language. Anyone that's educated in this area knows just because someone says something is true, it doesn't make it so, and discussing that wasn't even part of the comment so you are getting into the weeds. For your own edifice, can you (for yourself) tell what are the differences between socialism, communism, fascism and fabianism; and which ones are mutually exclusive? A google search surface view won't be much help with answering that; best resource is historical texts and essays. To me, you seem to have mixed objectives or have been seriously misled. You claim its new, but this in fact is a very old 'baddie' wrapped up in new clothing.

mistermann 3y ago
> Anyone that's educated in this area knows just because someone says something is true, it doesn't make it so With additional education one might also know that something not being actually true very often has little influence on whether people believe it to be true, which is what really matters when it comes to propaganda...and I found your text quite impressive, very believable.
turtleyacht 3y ago
> socialism, communism, fascism and fabianism; and which ones are mutually exclusive Could you give a summary of these? Especially, which ones are mutually exclusive. As well, do you agree with the following summary? F means "anti-" state capital anarchist flavor T T non-anarchist / unknown T F libertarian socialist? F T impossible anarchist F F libertarian communist What is the "very old 'baddie' wrapped in new clothing" you refer to? References [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35851409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35851409 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35851392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35851392 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35845460 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35845460 Thank-you for your time.

Mizoguchi 3y ago

Telling the truth about the CPP and their absolute control of Chinese "private" corporations to spy and infiltrate their adversaries is not Sinophobia. The general Chinese population are not to blame here as they are just another victim of the CPP. Growing up my self in a totalitarian "communist" regime (none of them are communist for that matter, they incorporate socialist and communist ideas in their propaganda) I know there's nothing you can do as an individual to change the system and getting organized with other people is technically impossible, as the climate of fear and distrust is such that you don't dare to talk about anything closely related to politics among neighbors, friends and even relatives. We know what happens to Chinese exec, artists and athletes when they don't play by the CPP rules. Just imagine if in the US it was normal for people like Jeff Bezos, LeBron James or Jennifer Lawrence "dissappear" every time they confront the US government and the psychological impact that would have on the regular population.

spondylosaurus 3y ago
Is the "CPP" the Chinese Pommunist Party?
- turtleyacht 3y ago
  You jest, but I also found it here: https://calvert.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-calvert-takes-action-confront-chinese-communist-party https://calvert.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-calvert-t... Maybe a typo in both cases? Maybe it was a romanized translation of CCP, or perhaps poster wrote C++ a lot, or CPP really was associated with CCP. However, I don't yet know what it stands for.
  - andrewem 3y ago
    That document says “Chinese Communist Party (CCP)” then uses CCP 7 more times. It uses CPP once, which is clearly a typo.
- kieselguhr_kid 3y ago
  communist party of pugs

kortilla 3y ago

Check your mental models. Anytime you reach for the term “sinophobia”, you are likely unintentionally repeating CCP propaganda. Nobody here is complaining about Chinese people. They are complaining about a particular regime at the head of the Chinese government. They have approximately zero overlap and accusations of Sinophobia are designed to smokescreen any accusations of a government.