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> None of the related post mentions any other Objective-C framework written from scratch It doesn't mention Swift frameworks written from scratch either, but t

by lapcat 4y ago

> None of the related post mentions any other Objective-C framework written from scratch It doesn't mention Swift frameworks written from scratch either, but the numbers pretty much speak for themselves. By all means, though, please list the many new Swift frameworks. > -- https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2022/102/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2022/102/ I have no idea why you're quoting that at me.

pjmlp 4y ago
SwiftUI, Swift bindinds for Metal, the new macOS Dock, the new daemon launcher, the new documentation system, package infrastructure, the new background services, the server side frameworks, the new photos picker, playgrounds are all written in Swift. Other than Metal, all the Objective-C code predates Swift, and is ongoing maintenaince work nothing else, that is why I am quoting that to you, Apple's own words at WWDC to make it clear for anyone that still isn't getting it, Objective-C is DONE, time to move on. Objective-C is the VB 6, Win32, Forms, WPF of Apple's world, it isn't going away, it isn't getting updated either other than maintenance and security fixes.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > the new macOS Dock, the new daemon launcher, the new documentation system, package infrastructure, the new background services, the server side frameworks, the new photos picker, playgrounds are all written in Swift. The Dock is an app, not a framework. The things you listed are not frameworks, aside from whatever you mean by "the server side frameworks", which being server-side would by definition not be in macOS. "Framework" has a very specific meaning in the OS: a .framework bundle, providing a linkable executable and typically an API, with the system frameworks residing in /System/Library/Frameworks. "Other than Metal, all the Objective-C code predates Swift, and is ongoing maintenaince work nothing else" This is still false, you have nothing but anecdotal, cherry-picked evidence, the numbers from the blog posts I cited suggest otherwise, you appear to be quite ignorant, and I'm tired of arguing with you, so I'm indeed DONE here.

by lapcat 4y ago

pjmlp 4y ago

SwiftUI, Swift bindinds for Metal, the new macOS Dock, the new daemon launcher, the new documentation system, package infrastructure, the new background services, the server side frameworks, the new photos picker, playgrounds are all written in Swift. Other than Metal, all the Objective-C code predates Swift, and is ongoing maintenaince work nothing else, that is why I am quoting that to you, Apple's own words at WWDC to make it clear for anyone that still isn't getting it, Objective-C is DONE, time to move on. Objective-C is the VB 6, Win32, Forms, WPF of Apple's world, it isn't going away, it isn't getting updated either other than maintenance and security fixes.

lapcat 4y ago
> the new macOS Dock, the new daemon launcher, the new documentation system, package infrastructure, the new background services, the server side frameworks, the new photos picker, playgrounds are all written in Swift. The Dock is an app, not a framework. The things you listed are not frameworks, aside from whatever you mean by "the server side frameworks", which being server-side would by definition not be in macOS. "Framework" has a very specific meaning in the OS: a .framework bundle, providing a linkable executable and typically an API, with the system frameworks residing in /System/Library/Frameworks. "Other than Metal, all the Objective-C code predates Swift, and is ongoing maintenaince work nothing else" This is still false, you have nothing but anecdotal, cherry-picked evidence, the numbers from the blog posts I cited suggest otherwise, you appear to be quite ignorant, and I'm tired of arguing with you, so I'm indeed DONE here.