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“free speech absolutist”. ROTFL

by dotcoma 3y ago

detaro 3y ago
free speech for people that should be absolute leaders, like himself. totally makes sense. /s
- unflxw 3y ago
  (free (speech absolutist)), not ((free speech) absolutist)
b0sk 3y ago
https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/13/23722574/welcome-to-hell https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/13/23722574/welcome-to-hell The previous regime at Twitter actually stood up to Erdogan.
elforce002 3y ago
Just to be on the same page, you're advocating Twitter to get out of any country that does this, right? Is there any social network capable of functioning without being banned from the country by outright omit government rulings? fb? Ig? mastodon? The reality is not all countries have 1A like the US. Unfortunately, any social media, message app, etc... has to comply (to a certain extent) with the government and try as hard at it can not to compromise its values.
- fzeroracer 3y ago
  No I believe his point was that Elon Musk called himself a free speech absolutist and is proving he is not.
  - decremental 3y ago
    He was asked this in a BBC interview and he said they have to comply with local laws (this was about India) and that they have to so their employees there don't go to prison. It's not the gotcha you think it is.
    - KomoD 3y ago
      Because Twitter had a physical presence in India, with offices, etc. Twitter rejected demands from the Turkish government to open offices way back in 2014 because they knew it was a risk. And also technically doesn't matter, him not being a free speech absolutist still stands true
    - fzeroracer 3y ago
      It's not a 'gotcha'. It's what he literally claimed. He claimed to be a free speech absolutist and would do whatever it takes to support free speech. People fell for this, because obviously it's not true and sustainable. And the fact that he's complying with censorship in Turkey because he has businesses and other liabilities there show one of the core problems with him running a social media business.
palmer_fox 3y ago
Paraphrasing Musk's rude response. Twitter has 2 options: a) comply and block the account in question and b) not comply and get banned in Turkey, which would, of course, make the account in question not easily reachable from Turkey. Either choice will restrict free speech. This situation reminds me of the trolley problem.
- rasz 3y ago
  >not comply and get banned in Turkey like wikipedia? https://www.reuters.com/article/turkey-wikipedia/turkish-court-rules-wikipedia-block-is-a-rights-violation-idINP8N26O01N https://www.reuters.com/article/turkey-wikipedia/turkish-cou...
  - palmer_fox 3y ago
    In case you missed it - the general election in Turkey is happening _today_. Getting banned weeks before and then getting un-banned some time in the future would have had a far more destructive impact on the political opposition.
    - KomoD 3y ago
      Explain how it has a more destructive impact on the opposition?
      - palmer_fox 3y ago
        Twitter is often used to distribute messages from the political opposition and to organize protests. Banning one account means a single voice is silenced before the election. Banning Twitter means it is harder for the opposition to organize an effective protest.
        KomoD 3y ago
        It's not just one account

“free speech absolutist”. ROTFL

detaro 3y ago

free speech for people that should be absolute leaders, like himself. totally makes sense. /s

unflxw 3y ago
(free (speech absolutist)), not ((free speech) absolutist)

b0sk 3y ago

https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/13/23722574/welcome-to-hell https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/13/23722574/welcome-to-hell The previous regime at Twitter actually stood up to Erdogan.

elforce002 3y ago

Just to be on the same page, you're advocating Twitter to get out of any country that does this, right? Is there any social network capable of functioning without being banned from the country by outright omit government rulings? fb? Ig? mastodon? The reality is not all countries have 1A like the US. Unfortunately, any social media, message app, etc... has to comply (to a certain extent) with the government and try as hard at it can not to compromise its values.

fzeroracer 3y ago
No I believe his point was that Elon Musk called himself a free speech absolutist and is proving he is not.
- decremental 3y ago
  He was asked this in a BBC interview and he said they have to comply with local laws (this was about India) and that they have to so their employees there don't go to prison. It's not the gotcha you think it is.
  - KomoD 3y ago
    Because Twitter had a physical presence in India, with offices, etc. Twitter rejected demands from the Turkish government to open offices way back in 2014 because they knew it was a risk. And also technically doesn't matter, him not being a free speech absolutist still stands true
  - fzeroracer 3y ago
    It's not a 'gotcha'. It's what he literally claimed. He claimed to be a free speech absolutist and would do whatever it takes to support free speech. People fell for this, because obviously it's not true and sustainable. And the fact that he's complying with censorship in Turkey because he has businesses and other liabilities there show one of the core problems with him running a social media business.

palmer_fox 3y ago

Paraphrasing Musk's rude response. Twitter has 2 options: a) comply and block the account in question and b) not comply and get banned in Turkey, which would, of course, make the account in question not easily reachable from Turkey. Either choice will restrict free speech. This situation reminds me of the trolley problem.

rasz 3y ago
>not comply and get banned in Turkey like wikipedia? https://www.reuters.com/article/turkey-wikipedia/turkish-court-rules-wikipedia-block-is-a-rights-violation-idINP8N26O01N https://www.reuters.com/article/turkey-wikipedia/turkish-cou...
- palmer_fox 3y ago
  In case you missed it - the general election in Turkey is happening _today_. Getting banned weeks before and then getting un-banned some time in the future would have had a far more destructive impact on the political opposition.
  - KomoD 3y ago
    Explain how it has a more destructive impact on the opposition?
    - palmer_fox 3y ago
      Twitter is often used to distribute messages from the political opposition and to organize protests. Banning one account means a single voice is silenced before the election. Banning Twitter means it is harder for the opposition to organize an effective protest.
      - KomoD 3y ago
        It's not just one account