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When I read comments like this, I am reminded of how deeply ingrained nationalism is for Americans. Where even if one admits something is a problem, it's simply

When I read comments like this, I am reminded of how deeply ingrained nationalism is for Americans. Where even if one admits something is a problem, it's simply a temporary problem not worth paying any mind, hey look, China is doing something! Hopefully soon more Americans realize how similar your country and China are, the differences are minor, not major.

nickpeterson 3y ago
The US government shouldn’t have invaded Iraq, toppled most of the regimes in the Cold War, interned Japanese citizens, or dropped the nuclear bombs during WW2. They should have never had slavery or poor treatment of indigenous tribes. Today we need better election laws, gun laws, separation between church and state, tort reform etc. My username is my real name and I live in Toledo, Ohio. typing that gives me no pause or concern. So if you’re a Chinese citizen, go ahead and type out your name and where you live, along with a list of things you feel your government is wrong about.
- antisthenes 3y ago
  > My username is my real name and I live in Toledo, Ohio. typing that gives me no pause or concern. The issue isn't that you aren't writing this post with no pause of concern. The issue is that after writing it, and, presumably, comprehending what you, yourself wrote, you still harbor the delusion of maintaining some moral high ground (as are some other posters in this thread) The US maintains a lot more freedoms for its citizens simply due to exerting vast military power to siphon resources from the entire planet (with exceptions to China/Russia, obviously). Otherwise, it's entirely unknown and hypothetical as to whether it would or could be a "shining beacon of democracy" as so many would like to believe it currently is (which it very well may be, compared to CCP/Russia, which is not a very high bar)
  - nickpp 3y ago
    If freedoms are maintained due to resources how comes China and Russia aren’t the freest countries around? They have more resources than anybody.
scrubs 3y ago
"more Americans realize how similar your country and China are, the differences are minor, not major." I think this is the perfect problem for you not us - to work that out. You're not gonna end where you think. Stuck for an approach? Look at the 2015 Nobel prize in literature and try that in china then in the US. https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/2015/summary/ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/2015/summary/

nickpeterson 3y ago

The US government shouldn’t have invaded Iraq, toppled most of the regimes in the Cold War, interned Japanese citizens, or dropped the nuclear bombs during WW2. They should have never had slavery or poor treatment of indigenous tribes. Today we need better election laws, gun laws, separation between church and state, tort reform etc. My username is my real name and I live in Toledo, Ohio. typing that gives me no pause or concern. So if you’re a Chinese citizen, go ahead and type out your name and where you live, along with a list of things you feel your government is wrong about.

antisthenes 3y ago
> My username is my real name and I live in Toledo, Ohio. typing that gives me no pause or concern. The issue isn't that you aren't writing this post with no pause of concern. The issue is that after writing it, and, presumably, comprehending what you, yourself wrote, you still harbor the delusion of maintaining some moral high ground (as are some other posters in this thread) The US maintains a lot more freedoms for its citizens simply due to exerting vast military power to siphon resources from the entire planet (with exceptions to China/Russia, obviously). Otherwise, it's entirely unknown and hypothetical as to whether it would or could be a "shining beacon of democracy" as so many would like to believe it currently is (which it very well may be, compared to CCP/Russia, which is not a very high bar)
- nickpp 3y ago
  If freedoms are maintained due to resources how comes China and Russia aren’t the freest countries around? They have more resources than anybody.

scrubs 3y ago

"more Americans realize how similar your country and China are, the differences are minor, not major." I think this is the perfect problem for you not us - to work that out. You're not gonna end where you think. Stuck for an approach? Look at the 2015 Nobel prize in literature and try that in china then in the US. https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/2015/summary/ https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/literature/2015/summary/